Liver on the way out.
― Tim, Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:28 (five years ago) link
People who say nobody has read Ulysses just because they didn't are very irritating. I'm going to read it again (again) just to spite them.
― Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:35 (five years ago) link
I mean fair enough I stopped at ineluctable modality of the visible first time through but you don't just give up goddamnit.
― Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:37 (five years ago) link
yes i never got very far every time i tried but that's mainly bcz stephen dedalus is such a dick, i am a very judgy gemini w/no cultural stamina and not finishing books is kind of my superpower, vote mark s
― mark s, Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:42 (five years ago) link
I'd like to think calling the Odyssey "not exactly a beach read" was a fun meta gag but I'm guessing it's just a smug pretence of incuriosity
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:44 (five years ago) link
I guess you can't fall back on "latte-sipping croissant muncher" when your job is brand strategising
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:47 (five years ago) link
It’s not even the incuriosity that mildly irritated me, it’s the smug dismissal of anything other than incuriosity.
― Tim, Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:50 (five years ago) link
"books are jerks" is a terrible pose to strike if you're over 13, yep
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:53 (five years ago) link
That's no way to talk about Socrates.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:01 (five years ago) link
palace walk's a v good shout and ulysses is ulysses but the little gawd-help-us prince at #3 right above the odyssey is extremely offensive
guardian piece obv beneath contempt
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:02 (five years ago) link
Filing that piece under "Literary Criticism" is bold, for sure.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:18 (five years ago) link
I don't think it was beneath contempt fwiw - my mild irritation was more to do with the fact that I think Mahdawi's right about Assange and Weinstein and I'd prefer the piece to have thought that through, rather than dissolve into slagging off other public figures who have the temerity to talk about books.
― Tim, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:18 (five years ago) link
"lol books are for dorks...
Since you're here, we've got a favour to ask..."
― alt right? all trite more like (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:19 (five years ago) link
(xp NB correct about Raab also)
― Tim, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:21 (five years ago) link
I'd prefer the piece to have thought that through, rather than dissolve into slagging off other public figures who have the temerity to talk about books.
but it didn't, so here we are
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:24 (five years ago) link
Fair enough - I suppose my contempt runs deeper than yours :)
― Tim, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:28 (five years ago) link
― gyac, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:29 (five years ago) link
Tim is correct. This paragraph is disgusting:
Pete Buttigieg, the Democrat who launched his US presidential run on Monday, has also used books to build his brand. He recently shared his 10 desert-island titles, which made for incredibly pretentious reading. He claims two of his faves are The Odyssey by Homer (not exactly a beach read) and James Joyce’s Ulysses. The latter also happens to be a favourite of Jeremy Corbyn and the most insufferable person you knew at university.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:36 (five years ago) link
the most insufferable person i knew that university used to write shit like this tbf
― Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:37 (five years ago) link
Lol I just read the piece and it reads as though it’s an oral transcript of the author ranting until she gets yanked off stage left by a cane
― gyac, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:40 (five years ago) link
insufferable is one of those complaints where as soon as its levelled at someone you have the strong suspicion they are preferable to the complainer
― ogmor, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:46 (five years ago) link
The bit of the Ulysses appreciation I was struggling with was the "a story about what it is to be human", its a bit lazy to say this is a democratic notion (?), and thought he just emphasized democratic because he is a politician. Then again I shouldn't talk, I would only return to the odd chapter myself, and the last chapter always.
Bernie ftw.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 18 April 2019 12:51 (five years ago) link
if you were going to take 10 books to a desert-island i'd think you'd want complex dense works that repaid numerous readings bc you're abandoned on an island and you're not getting any new books.
― Mordy, Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
like eg the fuck washing a hat thread
― ... and the crowd said DESELECT THEM (||||||||), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:03 (five years ago) link
Mordy otm
― And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Thursday, 18 April 2019 23:00 (five years ago) link
Lead article on front page right now is basically an advert for change UK with no actual news content.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 20 April 2019 15:59 (five years ago) link
i bet it didn't cost that much either.
― calzino, Saturday, 20 April 2019 16:01 (five years ago) link
is marina hyde for real
― ... and the crowd said DESELECT THEM (||||||||), Saturday, 20 April 2019 17:01 (five years ago) link
The Guardian front page, Wednesday 15 May 2019: Mordaunt to give veterans amnesty for battle crimes pic.twitter.com/IIvuk3n8rk— The Guardian (@guardian) May 14, 2019
― gyac, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:05 (five years ago) link
wth is a battle crime
― ||||||||, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:12 (five years ago) link
"battle crimes" indeed.
there was a program about the menace of US big pharma/the opioid epidemic on R4 last night and guess who ran one of them pseudo-articles with dangerous advertising bluster disguised as an opinion piece for Purdue Pharma. much much worse than they used to be.
― calzino, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:16 (five years ago) link
tbh I'm presuming it was for Purdue Pharma cos that's mainly who they were talking about, but if it was some other US big pharma -quelle difference.
― calzino, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:22 (five years ago) link
I also note that the piece says NI would be exempted - so the Guardian just casually betting that its readers won’t care about war crimes committed against Iraqis and Afghans then. Cool!
― gyac, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:25 (five years ago) link
surely they can come up with some better euphemism than ‘battle crimes’ ffs, they’re getting a much lower class of spin doctor in whitehall nowadays
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:41 (five years ago) link
Lol battle crimes
― Bash Street Kids: Endgame (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:16 (five years ago) link
Combat... mischief
― Bash Street Kids: Endgame (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:17 (five years ago) link
Armed Unpleasantness
― Captain ACAB (Neil S), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:18 (five years ago) link
collateral comeuppances
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:21 (five years ago) link
The BBC uses the phrase "actions on the battlefield abroad" which seems even more mealy-mouthed if anything, feels like the Guardian has at least taken care to put the word 'crimes' in there. I assume that war crimes committed in prisons, among civilian populations etc are excluded here, let me consult my Ladybird Book of Atrocities.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:25 (five years ago) link
"shooting non-christians" would appear clean enough
― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:27 (five years ago) link
i dunno, our brave boys have some form in extrajudicially executing christians too tbf
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:30 (five years ago) link
"extracurricular tomfoolery" = killing Iraqi civilians 'fer the lark.
― calzino, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:33 (five years ago) link
xp yes but NI is to be exempt from
wait a sec
non-voters, thats it.
― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:37 (five years ago) link
Pretty sure that, for the Johnny Mercers of this world, this is mostly about NI. After all, Iraqis Afghans, the Irish, what's the difference?
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 09:11 (five years ago) link
... as if on cue,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/15/northern-ireland-troubles-soldiers-should-be-given-amnesty-says-mordaunt
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 14:13 (five years ago) link
Don't know if it's just me, but when I read a front page banner article called "Peterborough prepares for byelection that could elect first Brexit party MP" I want to know something about this fuck who is about to be elected, not yet another Brexitland safari. They don't even mention his name.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/02/peterborough-prepares-for-byelection-that-could-see-first-brexit-party-mp
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 2 June 2019 17:09 (five years ago) link
Guardian's deputy editor @paul__johnson joined state censorship D-Notice committee (run by MOD) after Snowden revelations in sop to British spooks. In board minutes, they thank him for being "instrumental in re-establishing links" between UK mil/intel and Guardian. Explains a lot pic.twitter.com/kN27T0QoMm— Matt Kennard (@DCKennard) June 11, 2019
― ogmor, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:29 (four years ago) link
when they become subservient bootlickers to the secret services it can't be called the 4th estate anymore, it smells like the turd estate if anything.
― calzino, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link
Look I know the title of this thread is rhetorical. But still. Still!
Absolutely unbelievable pic.twitter.com/WKHtcPkuao— Running Dog (@benton_dan) June 15, 2019
― stress tweeting (gyac), Saturday, 15 June 2019 11:23 (four years ago) link
god bless our traditionally unbiased gutter press... grrr.. well until the last few weeks damn them!
― calzino, Saturday, 15 June 2019 11:35 (four years ago) link