Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

Release the bees, jez

the actual real DA activists i know haaaaaaate XR

Corbyn roaring up on his bike once he finds out they’ve damaged his climbing plants.

Jeremy #Corbyn walks out of his house past four #ExtinctionRebellion climate activists who glued themselves together @SWNS @ExtinctionR pic.twitter.com/IgU0YvRyU8

— Adam Gray (@agrayphoto) April 17, 2019

It’s really stupid though, like vegetarian cyclist who grows his own food and wears the same clothes for decades is worse than this crowd, what’s the issue like? Does he have too many children or something?

too risky to try to glue oneself to No 10

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2019/04/17/poll-briefing-brexit-dilemmas/

HOPE not hate asked YouGov to run a number of possible snap general election scenarios in which Labour took different Brexit position – and the results were startling:

If Labour went into a snap election offering the electorate a second referendum, then it would receive 31.5% of the public vote.
If Labour went into an election promising to implement a Brexit deal that includes a customs union, its share of the vote would drop to 20%.

if you believe those numbers are an accurate indication of what would actually happen in an election, then this seems like a argument in favour of a second referendum? particularly seeing as the other questions asked in that polling seem to indicate that a tory govt would be able to get away with anything other than a hard brexit

The Government and the opposition are currently in talks to solve the Brexit impasse, but given the huge gulf in attitudes between voters of the two main parties, it is hard to see how party leaders can reach an agreement without tearing their parties apart.

There are some basic Brexit realities that those Labour and Conservative politicians huddled around the negotiating table will only be too acutely aware of:

- the overwhelming majority of Conservative voters want to leave the EU and leave immediately, even if it is without a deal.
- the overwhelming majority of Labour voters want to Remain in the EU, by a margin of almost two to one would be happy for Parliament to Revoke Article 50, and they want any deal reached to be put to a referendum.

does all this make it more likely that there is some kind of realignment of the parties/national govt situation?

the talks were only ever just for show & a trap for both parties. they are now both seeking a pretext to collapse them in a way which damages the other

or at least doesn’t damage themselves

If Labour went into an election promising to implement a Brexit deal that includes a customs union, its share of the vote would drop to 20%.

if you believe those numbers are an accurate

This is transparently fucking ridiculous

Altho "promising" and the nature of a promise are pretty meaningless there

well YouGov was co-founded by a current tory government minister, and is often dodgier than the other pollsters in recent history. But fuck them all until there is an election.

I'm holding out for "Fuck yer referendum and get it right up ye's, we're staying and that's that" party.

Didn't YouGov get it right last time? Having said that unless something major and unprecedented happens with the CUKs or LibDems then it's basically nonsense.

if you believe those numbers are an accurate indication of what would actually happen in an election, then this seems like a argument in favour of a second referendum?

I believe pigs can fly 🐖

They predicted a hung parliament but survation was closest to the %s

I mean every single variant of Brexit is unpopular enough to be rejected by the public and Parliament but there's probably a process of elimination that needs to happen first.

"It’s really stupid though, like vegetarian cyclist who grows his own food and wears the same clothes for decades is worse than this crowd, what’s the issue like? Does he have too many children or something?"

Five trips a year to bro down with Hamas doesn't half play havoc with your carbon footprint.

Channel 4 News investigation reveals how Arron Banks' pro-Brexit group Leave EU faked a migrant-crossing video and appeared to have staged photos of migrants attacking women in London.

Watch the full report at 7pm on Channel 4. https://t.co/IC53CKIOMV

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) April 16, 2019

Fuck it, second referendum now and a third and a fourth until these cunts lose.

Rather they were prosecuted and jailed tbh

grim

Labour candidate punched in the face and told "you're a fucking traitor, you should be hanged". Literally on the street I grew up on. pic.twitter.com/7MFy0Nco6a

— Adam 🌿🌳 (@softerhardleft) April 17, 2019

Ugh, third time trying to post this, it’s like the POST errors are trying to tell me to stop.

If anyone doesn’t get that at least part of Corbyn’s continual stressing that Labour will respect the result of the referendum was to offset the inevitable betrayal narrative, well, they don’t want to get it. Much easier to talk shit about Seumas Milne while Labour MPs are getting death threats and one of them has already been murdered.

much more of this and Labour suddenly pivoting to hard Remain might be an interesting move tbh

as Matt said, name it stop + fuck these cunts. it really can be played i think. a sort of magnificent heel turn

uh make it stop, I mean

A bit of levity: the protestors left Corbyn’s house:

Via @pa: When asked why they left, Tracee Williams, 55, said: “I don’t think this was a misstep but whether we’d do it again, I’m not so sure.

“We just really felt we had to bring it to his front door. I feel absolutely terrible about upsetting his wife.”

— Graeme Demianyk (@GraemeDemianyk) April 17, 2019

that’s quite sweet

windmill jolyon... remain are polling on 25%

In a referendum on Leave/Remain we'll count the votes for Leave and the votes for Remain. The European Parliamentary elections are a proxy Leave/Remain referendum. If you want to Remain make sure you vote for an unambiguously Remain party.

— Jo Maugham QC (@JolyonMaugham) April 17, 2019

this seemed like a more sensible analysis
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/04/why-european-elections-will-be-painful.html?m=1

Given Labour's position and the lack of cooperation among the anti-Brexit parties, Remainers should not turn these European elections into a vote about being anti-Brexit, because they will lose badly. The combined vote for UKIP, the new Brexit party and the Conservatives is almost certain to exceed the combined vote for the LibDems, CHUK and the Greens. A smarter tactic would be, through the People’s Vote campaign, to make these elections into a vote about a People’s vote. The key difference of course is that Labour can potentially be counted as being in favour of a People’s Vote, and so making the European elections as a kind of referendum on a People’s Vote might succeed. Using the poll numbers above, the pro-People’s Vote parties have an overall majority.

It does but ofc none of these cunts will do that because waaaah Mr Seumas Milne

The good news is that George Galloway and Labour are still never ever getting back together.

*Looks to camera* pic.twitter.com/U987MLYmUn

— Owen Jones🌹 (@OwenJones84) April 17, 2019

Seamus Milne - just one degree of separation from a nazi cunt .. oh sorry I forgot Farage is a centrist now.

It’s Mr Seumas Milne to you, son.

Comrade, surely?

Seaumus Alasdairevich

Please refer to the Gapes video I linked upthread for the canonical form of address.

xp nm, I was wrong.

You couldnae mark the back of Galloway's neck wi a blowtorch. Total chancer

Too kind imo

Is there any way to stop Brexit without a 2nd referendum? I think not, and on those pragmatic grounds, I'm in favour of a 2nd ref because Brexit is a fucking awful idea.

But referendums are largely shitty and inconsistent with parliamentary democracy and a change of this magnitude shouldn't be dependent on an uneven, borderline majority at a single point in time. Other countries do things differently - in Australia referendums need a double majority to win, ie an overall majority and a majority in each jurisdiction (states + territories). If that had applied in the UK, Brexit wouldn't have won as it didn't get a majority in Scotland or N. Ireland.

UK is a unitary state, aus is federal

The constituent parts of the UK have differing laws, their own legislative assemblies etc so I don't think the situation is that different.

why have extinction rebellion chosen an aesthetic that makes them look like a bunch of fascists pic.twitter.com/7NOAysfDnN

— GT (@granitetide) April 17, 2019

black and white, skulls and runic symbols? perfect for our climate change campaign!

— GT (@granitetide) April 17, 2019

yeah those aren’t runes. you could say the same thing about the anarchy symbol or the CND thing. that ‘x’ is an hourglass.

If you think skulls are cool, this is the campaign for you.

If you think skulls are terrifying, this is also the campaign for you.

The dissonance is what will power our vision of the future

Yeah, not runes but the skull plus stark geometric symbol = easy first impression

Runic Nick (xp)

I agree with ru, Nick.