2020 Democratic presidential primary

I can't imagine Schultz running for real if he can't rise out of single digits in some poll somewhere

Devil's advocate: if what he really cares about is thwarting the left, single digits could suffice.

Might be worth it to see centrist Dems rationalize voting for a third party spoiler.

t/s: coffee dolt picking off disaffected dems vs bernard picking up non-voters

incidentally, in today's NYT

From canapé-filled fund-raisers on the coasts to the cloakrooms of Washington, mainstream Democrats are increasingly worried that their effort to defeat President Trump in 2020 could be complicated by Mr. Sanders, in a political scenario all too reminiscent of how Mr. Trump himself seized the Republican nomination in 2016.

How, some Democrats are beginning to ask, do they thwart a 70-something candidate from outside the party structure who is immune to intimidation or incentive and wields support from an unwavering base, without simply reinforcing his “the establishment is out to get me’’ message — the same grievance Mr. Trump used to great effect?

But stopping Mr. Sanders, or at least preventing a contentious convention, could prove difficult for Democrats.

He has enormous financial advantages — already substantially outraising his Democratic rivals — that can sustain a major campaign through the primaries. And he is well-positioned to benefit from a historically large field of candidates that would splinter the vote: If he wins a substantial number of primaries and caucuses and comes in second in others, thanks to his deeply loyal base of voters across many states, he would pick up formidable numbers of delegates for the nomination.

That prospect is not only spooking establishment-aligned Democrats, but it is also creating tensions about what, if anything, should be done to halt Mr. Sanders.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html

The commentary on that Emerson poll is not quite correct, as the problem was never that Bernie did poorly among Latinx. He does worse than Biden among black voters. Also, take a look at the number of Sanders' voters who would rather vote for Trump than any of the other candidates, yikes. And for some unfathomable reason their least favorite other candidate is Elizabeth Warren? What's going on there?

Devil's advocate: if what he really cares about is thwarting the left, single digits could suffice.

― Simon H., Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:55 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly. although i don't think he cares about thwarting the left in particular. he cares about thwarting anyone with politics that they're vulgar enough to argue for.

I doubt this guy is really gonna go through with it

ppl will boycott his company, not really worth it when you are polling at 1%

being a billionaire is a helluva drug tbf

The idea that any wealthy, white man is running for office isn't ridiculous, it's that anyone who isn't wealthy, white and male would vote for them.

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better I guess to have a brown woman or a gay man or who are more likely to preserve the advantages of being wealthy, white and male

or

that is exactly how it works.

that's how it "worked" 2008-2016

so many other options in 2012

until a legit progressive woman and/or POC jumps in EW is the only way out of this cul de sac

if/when she starts polling better head-to-head against Trump than Bernie does I will enthusiastically support her

in today's NYT

Apparently, the NYT thinks that "mainstream Democrats" attend canapé-filled fundraisers on the coasts in non-election years. They also hang out in the cloakrooms of Washington. The last time I looked, winning a presidential election requires more than 60 million votes. The number of Democrats who fit the NYT's criteria would amount to a tiny puddle, not a mainstream.

canapés ew

i'd say Shithead tweeting abt "Crazy Bernie" on Fox means it paid off

god almighty fred eat shit

How, some Democrats are beginning to ask, do they thwart a 70-something candidate from outside the party structure who is immune to intimidation or incentive and wields support from an unwavering base, without simply reinforcing his “the establishment is out to get me’’ message — the same grievance Mr. Trump used to great effect?

this is an amazing paragraph

Why might be a better question.

Journalists who use any variant of the phrase "some [insert category of choice] are/think/say" as a way of pretending whatever follows next is a valid observation, should be banished.

As successful as Sanders was in persuading FOX that to encourage his run would, the producers assume, Divide the Democratic Party, I still saw the kind of adamantine sticking-to-message that worries me when as president he deals with a situation in which he doesn't have to repeat the line about the wealthiest x percent of the population own x percent of the wealth.

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— 6X Debate Champ (@gunsmoslem) April 16, 2019

I can promise you that Democrats eat the shit out of some canapes in the Midwest, we just call them cheese curds is all

If Bernie did somehow become the nominee, there would be a lot of parallels to Trump in ‘16. The Dem establishment would probably warm to him the same way the GOP did to Trump.

by his signing anything they gave him?

By wearing any bifocals they give him.

i'm skeptical of the Estab embracing Bern. I kind of agree w/ Perrin, they'd rather have Trump cuz then they don't have to do politics.

I kind of agree w/ Perrin

lol. i thought morbs was perrin (@_@)

i haven't written any books, so blow me.

I don't follow that logic

I haven't written any either, so somebody blow me!

https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Dennis+Perrin%22

How does this relate to you being Dennis Perrin, though?

cuz i didnt write Mr. Mike!

has Andrew Yang written a book? how about Swalwell?

"The Sacking of the Masonic Temple in Jersey by the Nazis in 1941," currently selling used for $103.95 on amazon

i'm gonna go ahead and assume it's not our dennis who wrote this one?

cuz i didnt write Mr. Mike!

are you saying that Perrin deserves to never get blown because he wrote Mr Mike

we're all trying to work with you here

Did he write Channing Tatum's obliques or were they already like that?

morbs just admitted he is andrew yang you all saw it

People who still admire Michael O'Donoghue > people who still admire Bill Hicks

But not by much.

Elizabeth Warren dropped two excellent policy ideas today, and the New York Times is publishing articles about what Neera Tanden said to her mom about Bernie Sanders. Super excited to relive all the bullshit of 2016!

— Amy Hartman (@ameseh) April 16, 2019

Rebecca Solnit has been tying herself into knots on FB for two weeks angry that Buttigieg is getting coverage when Warren isn't. Ok fine, but as a white woman who positions herself as an ally to Native Americans she never once gave NA activists any thread time when they were pissed at Warren for playing into Trump's hands on identity, so to her I say "give me a fucking break". Liberal purity tests are gong to fucking kill me this time around.

I'm already dead this time around.

I bought a Warren t-shirt, though, since my vote couldn't count less where I live.

I have to say the Kamala Harris hoodies look good.