2020 Democratic presidential primary

Also a win for FOX, which can now credibly claim it's Fair and Balanced.

Xxp I have no idea how true this is but there’s at least tactical need to deal with the the fact that potential allies think it is true.

It's so important for M4A advocates to understand "actually your private insurance sucks and is garbage" applies to a lot of Americans but *not* to most union members who genuinely do have extremely good health insurance. https://t.co/s9C0eSd4vI

— Michael T Sweeney (@mtsw) April 15, 2019

Health insurance is a flawed premise, but the old “I’ve got the biggest turd in the waterpipe” logic is compelling when the alternative seems to be risky

Also a win for FOX, which can now credibly claim it's Fair and Balanced.

"credibly" doing a lot of work here, one segment vs. a 24/7 raft of shit won't mean much to anyone capable of grasping basic context

We're not talking about nose-breathing intelligence here -- I mean FOX viewers and especially editors.

i heard my man crushed it

watchin now. he's playin the hits.

He smashed it, right?

Thats why you go on FOX

Loved the highlights reel. He's so good! Even if I'd like Warren more I just don't know how she would fare in a campaign. With Bernie I just don't see a problem.

lol Soto, still trying to recover from Pelosi's "that's five people" blooper

I'm trying to recover? I'm trying to recover from three hours of sleep Sunday night.

On the GoT beat?

What works well about Bernie’s politics is that *precisely because* the word “socialism” polls so poorly it lures conservatives into a debate about economic policy that they normally know is losing ground for them.

It’s like a shrewd sacrifice in chess.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) April 16, 2019

I was wary of Bernie going on fox—happy to have been wrong!

Going on FOX doesn't become good because you get a white audience to applaud for a bill you're not going to pass anyway. Still wrong.

fred he did well and no one got hurt so it’s fine, stop concern-trolling about this

Even if I'd like Warren more I just don't know how she would fare in a campaign. With Bernie I just don't see a problem.

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, April 16, 2019 12:25 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think this is stupid but i guess you’re right i’m much less worried about a man winning

Anything that makes Trump’s re-election even incrementally less likely—like almost literally anything—isn’t wrong xpost

fred is right, bernie shouldn't advocate for good things because good things never happen

fred, altho it's been said many times many ways stfu

I'm trying to recover from three hours of sleep Sunday night.

ah the price of trying to do karaoke "well"

The price of having our skies ruled by monopolies.

the best planes!

Anything that makes Trump’s re-election even incrementally less likely—like almost literally anything—isn’t wrong xpost

― Dan I., 16. april 2019 14:39 (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But it's not enough to defeat Trump and then think everything will go back to normal. Trump is a symptom, not the disease. Don't go on FOX.

"Why don't you voluntarily pay more in taxes right now?" - this has to be the dumbest line of questioning they could come up with. Idk what that's even supposed to prove.

The worst part of it is almost that the tax returns apparantly show that Sanders doesn't really claim all the tax credits he could. So he kinda IS paying more in taxes voluntarily.

But it's not enough to defeat Trump and then think everything will go back to normal. Trump is a symptom, not the disease. Don't go on FOX.

That is an impressive arrangement of unrelated “thoughts”

They don't seem unrelated to me at all.

"A moment like that calls for hopeful and audacious voices from communities like ours. And yes, it calls for a new generation of leadership in this country," Buttigieg said.

increasingly reading like an Obama text generator

a new generation of leadership drawn from the ranks of... wait, it says here afghanistan veterans and mckinsey acolytes wtf

Even if I'd like Warren more I just don't know how she would fare in a campaign. With Bernie I just don't see a problem.

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, April 16, 2019 12:25 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think this is stupid but i guess you’re right i’m much less worried about a man winning

― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah that's right I'm worried about a woman winning, or something.

Euros f off ffs

No

so sick and tired of these Buttigieg Bros

Via the Emerson 2020 Democratic primary poll released yesterday:

- 53% (55/103) of Bernie Sanders supporters were black, Hispanic/Latinx, or Asian

-46% (39/85) for Biden

-45% (13/29) for Beto

-44% (12/27) for Harris

-33% (8/24) for Warren

-19% (6/32) for Buttigieg pic.twitter.com/Mcmx3wkmBY

— Jonathan Walczak (@jonwalczak) April 16, 2019

What do we think of the argument that a Bernie nom would drive more dems to Schultz than any other potential dem candidate? Seems self evidently true to me, but also he would pick up more trump voters and 2016 non voters than any other candidate too.

It's true, but for that to be a genuine concern, Schultz has to actually run and command a measurable % of the vote, which are both big Ifs imo

Schultz is a complete joke.

I can't imagine Schultz running for real if he can't rise out of single digits in some poll somewhere

Devil's advocate: if what he really cares about is thwarting the left, single digits could suffice.

Might be worth it to see centrist Dems rationalize voting for a third party spoiler.

t/s: coffee dolt picking off disaffected dems vs bernard picking up non-voters

incidentally, in today's NYT

From canapé-filled fund-raisers on the coasts to the cloakrooms of Washington, mainstream Democrats are increasingly worried that their effort to defeat President Trump in 2020 could be complicated by Mr. Sanders, in a political scenario all too reminiscent of how Mr. Trump himself seized the Republican nomination in 2016.

How, some Democrats are beginning to ask, do they thwart a 70-something candidate from outside the party structure who is immune to intimidation or incentive and wields support from an unwavering base, without simply reinforcing his “the establishment is out to get me’’ message — the same grievance Mr. Trump used to great effect?

But stopping Mr. Sanders, or at least preventing a contentious convention, could prove difficult for Democrats.

He has enormous financial advantages — already substantially outraising his Democratic rivals — that can sustain a major campaign through the primaries. And he is well-positioned to benefit from a historically large field of candidates that would splinter the vote: If he wins a substantial number of primaries and caucuses and comes in second in others, thanks to his deeply loyal base of voters across many states, he would pick up formidable numbers of delegates for the nomination.

That prospect is not only spooking establishment-aligned Democrats, but it is also creating tensions about what, if anything, should be done to halt Mr. Sanders.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html

The commentary on that Emerson poll is not quite correct, as the problem was never that Bernie did poorly among Latinx. He does worse than Biden among black voters. Also, take a look at the number of Sanders' voters who would rather vote for Trump than any of the other candidates, yikes. And for some unfathomable reason their least favorite other candidate is Elizabeth Warren? What's going on there?

Devil's advocate: if what he really cares about is thwarting the left, single digits could suffice.

― Simon H., Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:55 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly. although i don't think he cares about thwarting the left in particular. he cares about thwarting anyone with politics that they're vulgar enough to argue for.

I doubt this guy is really gonna go through with it

ppl will boycott his company, not really worth it when you are polling at 1%

being a billionaire is a helluva drug tbf

The idea that any wealthy, white man is running for office isn't ridiculous, it's that anyone who isn't wealthy, white and male would vote for them.

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better I guess to have a brown woman or a gay man or who are more likely to preserve the advantages of being wealthy, white and male

or