Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

Well, shit - I go to a verdant bit of north London for a few hours’ forest bath’/fuss of other people’s dogs and all hell breaks loose! Excellent work, chaotic world!

now suzy too, how many doggers post on this board ffs

*taps the 'Everything' in the board description*

Scru you too, BG ;-)

More on Dogger Scruton and the rest of the shipping forecast after the break

Here’s that shipping forecast from Doggerland in full

Centrist Louise Mensch strikes again. pic.twitter.com/qM0bHN0Me8

— Wittgenstein's Slab (@frolix22) April 11, 2019

Do we reckon that, if Marc Francois had lost the run of himself on Parliament and called for a VONC today, whether Labour would feel obliged to vote for it, or obliged to vote against?

I mean, Kate Hoey would vote against, but y'know.

Mensch was on that celebrity SAS thing on ch4 but retired hurt at the end of the first week after falling awkwardly out of an helicopter and being pummeled by two other contestants.

disappointing of DA to minimise the assange rape charges on today this morning

it doesn't really contrast well with Alan Johnson washing his hands of Gary McKinnon back in the day. I know there is the whistleblower/journalism angle, but jc I wouldn't want to expend too much energy defending this pos.

The line on Twitter has been fairly consistent - that Assange shouldn't be extradited to the US but should go through the standard processes in relation to any potential charges in Sweden.

Corbyn's tweet about it was highly misjudged as well, you don't need to want him to be extradited to the US to at least acknowledge the rape charge.

It appears that the Swedish arrest warrant was rescinded two years ago so I'm not sure what the standard process would be in this scenario.

resist extradition to the US, prosecute him for bail skipping, & hold him until the swedish resubmit a warrant for his arrest/extradition

I don't think there's any real prospect of him not being extradited to the US, tbh. You can disagree with it politically but there is no practical way to stop the process. The US reserves the right to charge non-US residents for acts that took place outside of the US and are not crimes in the countries where they took place. The extradition treaty means the US doesn't really even need to provide substantial evidence.

think we've worked out by now that a lot of the old school left really doesn't get intersectionality

But Julian Assange isn’t being extradited or charged for rape - he’s being charged for helping Chelsea Manning distribute video of US war crimes. You can say about him needing to face charges for rape or any of his other alleged crimes but this is like one of the only good things he’s ever been responsible for?

And I hate to point out the fucking obvious, but nobody cares about rape and most rapists are never charged. That goes double if you’re famous.

If Sweden has dropped the charges that’s disappointing but otoh if I was one of the accusers I probably would have too.

It's procedural from the Swedish side. They can bring the charge back any time they like but there is a time limit on open investigations.

xp oh never mind, it’s only ~women~

This is a bad take when you don’t know anything about the person you’re speaking to.

Mensch was on that celebrity SAS thing on ch4 but retired hurt at the end of the first week after falling awkwardly out of an helicopter and being pummeled by two other contestants.

this was hilarious btw, a+ would watch again

Still interested in how I think women aren’t important, suzy!

You can say about him needing to face charges for rape

Well yeah I can, but so can Jeremy Corbyn. And when he doesn't, we get people like this charmer turning up in his comments:

Right. But those charges were dropped and there are rumors it was a CIA operation. He was never charged, which means, not guilty

— Joe 'UnfunMid' Grech (@JoeBGrech) April 11, 2019

Didn’t ask you, AF, and Corbyn has tons of cunts in his comments. Are you expecting him to sit on twitter and refute them individually? JA should have been charged for rape, but he hasn’t and he shouldn’t have been charged for what he was charged for. I don’t know why this is controversial or why not saying the obvious should make it any less true.

When this guy is whiling away his days in SuperMax, whats the charge it will be for? Does it matter? And will we cheer as loudly when the next person is someone we like? I don't see whats progressive about this.

When we throw away any protections for Assange, Shamima Begum, or anyone else, they aren't the only people we throw them away for

gyac otm

he shouldn’t have been charged for what he was charged for

am I missing something, I was under the impression Assange was arrested for skipping bail on the Swedish rape charges, why shouldn't he be charged for that?

thats not what he's going to do the time for

xp it’s supposedly god helping Chelsea Manning to leak the videos

*for

Which, as you said, is like the only good thing Wikileaks ever did.

Also I didn’t listen to Today, but is this true?

Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that "this is all about Wikileaks and all of that embarrassing information about the activities of the American military and security services that was made public".

But she said Assange should also face the criminal justice system if the Swedish government charged him.

xp I think the diplomatic cables have value as well! But those videos were legit public service.

might nominate gyac's phone for ile poster of the year

had a feeling that god hates america, but the great deity will surely press the yellowstone erupt! button when they decide to get vengeful!

(xps) I knew they had done something else worthwhile, but couldn't remember what.

gyac, (which my phone autocorrects to ‘guacamole’ btw) you can be female and still make statements that another woman can find a bit minimising of the importance of seeing through rape charges at trial.

Interestingly, if extradited to Sweden to face these charges, both the UK and Sweden could prevent the Trump administration’s extradition request. Sweden were not informed of the planned arrest by Ecuador (the US was) which is dodgy, but they’re already taking steps to re-open the case less than a day after the event. Hooray, Sweden’

That’s not what I’m talking about (that you don’t know who you’re talking to online), but I do live in hope that you’ll at least pause before levelling some shit level take like that at me again.

Sweden were not informed of the planned arrest by Ecuador (the US was)

Tbrr, nobody who matters here cares about the rape charges

It’s only a shit-level take *in your opinion* but by all means, keep digging.

This was good and is where I’m at:

Thread on Assange and Sweden.

Because of misinformation.

1.

— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) April 12, 2019

the pit will need to be very large to accommodate all thoughtless nonsense itt, but I will gladly assist with the digging

get dogging not digging

When this guy is whiling away his days in SuperMax, whats the charge it will be for? Does it matter? And will we cheer as loudly when the next person is someone we like? I don't see whats progressive about this.

When we throw away any protections for Assange, Shamima Begum, or anyone else, they aren't the only people we throw them away for

This is the right take I think, but if you're in the Labour leadership it's also vital not to be seen to be minimising the importance of the rape allegations. Whoever wrote or agreed that Corbyn tweet only addressed half the issue - the official line appears to be more nuanced, thankfully.

Tbrr, nobody who matters here cares about the rape charges

Or Sweden frankly.

Meanwhile, Assange’s mother railed against May and Ecuador’s president in a stream of tweets demanding the release of her son. Pledging to “fight like hell”, Christine Assange said May was “trying to divert attention away from her Brexit dog’s breakfast by cheering on the thuggish, brutal, unlawful arrest of my courageous, tortured multi-award winning journalist son Julian!”

Addressing Ecuador’s president, she tweeted: “Shame on you Lenín Moreno! May the Ecuadorean people seek vengeance upon you, you dirty, deceitful, rotten traitor! May the face of my suffering son haunt your sleepless nights ... And may your soul writhe forever in torturous Purgatory as you have tortured my beloved son!”

Taking it stoically I see.

xp the BBC had this on their story but I didn’t listen to Today but I don’t know what was actually said.

Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that "this is all about Wikileaks and all of that embarrassing information about the activities of the American military and security services that was made public".
But she said Assange should also face the criminal justice system if the Swedish government charged him.

Has anyone approached Assange’s mother for comment on his alleged dirty protest?

A few points, pell-mell, none of which contradict each other:

1. No matter what happens, Assange should be tried for rape in Sweden.
2. In principle, WikiLeaks is a salutary organisation and whistleblowing should not be illegal.
3. It is more than likely that Russian intelligence services have aided Assange, leading him to a) sow chaos on the US political scene by harming the DNC and Clinton's campaign in particular and b) abstain from researching and/or releasing openly compromising information regarding Russian activity, domestically and abroad. In other words, WikiLeaks has failed to live up to its promise.
4. Trump's part in this play calls for more than just a healthy dose of skepticism, to say the least.
5. I'm mostly indifferent to the rest (sorry).