2020 Democratic presidential primary

to the best of my knowledge, the easy method of filibuster is simply voting not to close debate on a bill (cloture) so a bill cannot be brought to a final vote. The hard method is continuing to "debate" by actually speaking on the floor of the Senate. This usually turns out to be a Senator reading aloud from something irrelevant to an empty chamber.

retaining the talking filibuster is a way of saying you aren't violating the sacred tradition of unlimited debate in the senate, while still fixing the parliamentary maneuver that is now what we mostly know as the "filibuster"

That won't fix a damn thing. Definitely won't get M4A passed. Completely nonsensical.

shut up, Fred

lol

folks, let me be clear. we can 51 fred again. it will be funny.

the full statement is clearer but does not seem to say what the original poster says it did? odd

Here is Sanders' full statement. Includes their plan to use reconciliation in certain circumstances: pic.twitter.com/yFMP9aJMCM

— Greg Krieg (@GregJKrieg) April 10, 2019

I told my wife that one of the thing Mayor Pete was interested in (according to his Breakfast Club interview). She looked it up quickly and turns out South Bend teachers make less than the average Indiana teacher. Also, he talked about how we need to bring city-style politics into national politics?! Last time I checked, city governments weren't any less corrupt than any other level of government.

I told my wife that one of the thing Mayor Pete was interested in (according to his Breakfast Club interview) was increasing teacher pay.

It all feels very Obama with him.

Last time I checked, city governments weren't any less corrupt than any other level of government.

Any less corrupt? City government is pure corruption.

I didn't want to overstate (the SCALE of national government corruption is so much more massive), but yeah - cities are cesspools of corruption.

I remember when DC elected an incorruptible and uncompromising young technocrat for mayor, he ended up impotent and unpopular

Fenty!! Complete forgot about him

Buying local politicians is so cheap, if I were a shitty rich person I wouldn't bother going past the mayoral level. You could have the entire South Bend City Council at your beck and call for less than the price of one State Senator.

the full statement is clearer but does not seem to say what the original poster says it did? odd

― Simon H., 11. april 2019 00:27 (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's the senate parliamentarian, not the vice president, who decides whether or not a bill can be passed through budget reconciliation, at least traditionally. If you're going to break with tradition anyway, just lower the threshold for cloture from 60 to 50 and be done with it, this shit is just smoke and mirrors. He is saying as clear as day that he is not willing to do what he will have to do to pass M4A.

Good news, Free, I’m still awake to tell you to stop posting

Dang it, then my dastardly plan to foil M4A is ruined yet again. You win this time!

phew, thanks silby

Buying local politicians is so cheap, if I were a shitty rich person I wouldn't bother going past the mayoral level. You could have the entire South Bend City Council at your beck and call for less than the price of one State Senator.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 11 April 2019 00:08 (nine hours ago) Permalink

When I read Master of the Senate, one of the most shocking things was how little corporate/private money there was in politics in the 1950's. The stories of LBJ essentially "buying" elections by having rich Texas fucks contribute under $2,500 (iirc) to congressional campaigns are almost laughable in hindsight.

Yeah, but $2500 in 1950s money is basically a lottery jackpot today.

$2500 in 1950 is about $26000 today.

I love the Gravel teens.

lol on Chapo they were speculating that this was an elder abuse situation

South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg’s (D) strong media buzz appears to be translating into growing support in key early-voting states, according to a pair of polls released Thursday.

According to two new surveys, Buttigieg has climbed into third place in both Iowa and New Hampshire, trailing only Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and former Vice President Joe Biden.

Monmouth University’s survey of Iowa caucusgoers found Biden leading the field in Iowa with 27% support, Sanders at 16% and Buttigieg with nine percent — a notable rise given how few voters know about him at this point. They were followed by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) at seven percent apiece, and former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-TX) at six percent, with the other candidates below five percent support.

the NH poll:

St. Anselm College found similar results in a New Hampshire poll released Thursday morning, with Biden leading the field at 23% support , Sanders at 16%, and Buttigieg in third place with 11% support. Warren was at nine percent, Harris at seven percent, O’Rourke at six percent, and the rest of the field didn’t top five percent support.

a Democrat in his 70s on my FB feed says Buttigieg is "fresher" than Biden

being mushy and/or quiet on policy not hurting him

So is Mayor Pete the Emilio Estevez character or more of an Ally Sheedy?

Iowa and New Hampshire voters rise up as one and say "Literally anyone with a pink penis will be fine with us!"

can't stay off the white man's dick long enough to get anything material done.

betomania, we hardly knew ye

in fairness the biden vote is surely largely an expression of the sentiment "i wish obama was still president"

neolib-loving chumps gettin' chumpier

idk - is there really a Biden vote?

I know he's doing well in the polls, but is it any more than name recognition from phone calls? Doesn't seem feasible that lead has got any longevity in it whatsoever

I think a lot of online people are underestimating Biden's chances (if he actually runs).

You look at a poll showing Biden at 27% and say "frontrunner," I look at 100% name recognition and see 73% of voters willing to shop around.

In April 2015, pollsters had Clinton in the 60s in Iowa. https://t.co/syAwgO214j

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 11, 2019

Now 2016 was a 2 horse race and this is not, but he has a point.

xpost -- I worry about it too. No matter how much of an absolute tone-deaf centrist doofus Biden is, I think with this election more than most there's going to be such a powerful groundswell of support for Restoring Norms above all else. That's not to say a candidate who can really inspire people can't triumph or that Biden can't shoot himself in the dick enough times to counteract that Obama-adjacent magic, because both of those things are very possible, I just think there's a real sizable contingent of Dem voters out there who just want to wake up from the Trump nightmare and don't really care nearly as much about anything else.

and hence doom us in the long run

Thats definitely true, but that doesn't happen by itself, that needs media support. Kamala or Beto seem more likely for that surely?

Biden would be a very literal embodiment of returning to the pre-Trump era, while those two aren't

Not sure why we'd expect the media to specifically boost them and not Biden.

The thing that haunts me with Biden is when my Indian American, MSNBC-watching mother-in-law told me how much she "likes" him without saying anything about his politics. Obviously not much of a data point, but I flash back to it whenever these polls come out.

I think I already mentioned my shock when my sister-in-law told me she was hoping for a Biden/Beto ticket.

This is the thing, once he starts having to speak, he'll surely fade, the energy isn't there. Also, doesn't he run every time and the same thing happens. Front runner then fades?

I mean, hopefully you are right, but it's a big assumption right now.

run Joe run, and bury your generation of invertebrates

Polls this early mean next to nothing.

As for Biden, at least he has competition for the voters who want safety, reassurance and calm... packaged as a white man. I think he'll fade away, largely because as a campaigner he is vapid at best and notoriously error prone, but not as quickly as he should. He still might be the last white man standing by next April.

I think Beto is a flash in the pan, fool's gold who'll be exposed as such. The grueling length of a national campaign is at least good for weeding out that kind of pretender.

Buttigieg has easily the longest road to travel if he's going to claim the mantle of The Middle Man. He has excellent campaigning chops for attracting white, college-educated middle-class voters, along with some crossover appeal to other groups, such as youth, women. He's clearly the dark horse who could surprise everyone by a strong showing in Iowa & NH, then making it to the convention with a good bloc of delegates and be a real force. I greatly doubt his ceiling is high enough to be the nominee.

Do those numbers actually show a lot of Sanders voters moving to Buttigieg? I thought Sanders was polling closer to Biden earlier?

dunno but I'm a 2016 Sanders primary voter who will most likely be voting for Buttigieg this time around.

do you not worry about his prioritization of "philosophy" (or vague mush) over policy positions?