Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

My god, Mark Francois has been in Parliament since 2001, I thought he just appeared from nowhere two months ago.

The Brexiteer dream has fallen through
But the Albion sails on course
So launch the tweets and start the crying
You wanted *this* divorce

It's not a poll of MPs, though?

it reflects the same kind of intransigence that the MPs are playing with

i mean obviously, there's a lot of it about

Does Mark Francois understand the origin of the phrase he’s using?

I was gonna say

He made it to the wiki of the phrase today, which was probably his goal.

I think part of the art of perfidy is not announcing in advance that you are a dishonorable shit heel, that just gives the game away!

i always figured these dicks had a general sense of what the phrase meant but approved of it because running/ruining the world is what Albion is ordained by God to do

but that might well be an overextension of credit

england as the shithousing midfielder of global affairs

well the Englishest of English football fans always revere a shithousing midfielder

Albion being the name for Britain before it was ruined by the English.

Imagine if a German poll said "we will totally Nev Chamberlain you gullible brits in these negotiations .. erm hah hah hah"

can’t believe we didn’t commemorate maggie’s deid day yesterday

6 years ago today I was walking home from uni and I walked through george square and found my dad in a crowd singing “maggie maggie maggie deid deid deid”

— Erin go bragh (@emcg_) April 8, 2019

six years since Mordy's very unusual (to say the least) troll the brits day!

rip big man, heaven needed a strong, statesmanlike leader whose grave would eventually be completely eroded by the piss of the proletariat

btw you can leave your own gleeful celebration of maggie's one-way rocket ride to hell heartfelt message of remembrance for mrs thatcher here: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/108023705/margaret-thatcher

never forget:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUlj48Rvp1c

never fails to bring the lols

I expect that level of exquisite thatcher hatred as a bare minimum.

:D

fuck standing as an (english) MEP in this election

I haven’t been paying attention to this shitshow, but obligatory lol at collective responsibility:

80 Tory MPs did not vote to delay Brexit until June 30 including 12 ministers:

Geoffrey Cox
Chris Grayling
Liam Fox
Andrea Leadsom
Brandon Lewis
Nadhim Zahawi
Kwasi Kwarteng
Kit Malthouse
Nus Ghani
Chris Pincher
Jesse Norman
Kelly Tolhurst

— Steven Swinford (@Steven_Swinford) April 9, 2019

Those are all abstentions? The only abstention I’ve seen talked up was by Dreadsome Anal.

Abstaining is defying the whip for cowards. I mean if you can’t even whip your front bench and are offering what’s for all intents and purposes a free vote every time, what’s the point? Basicay saying “the government has no opinion on this”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/09/conditions-for-short-brexit-delay-have-not-been-met-says-berlin?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It’s a long extension says the Graun. The Tories are going to explode, aren’t they?

thats what happens when you fuck with the border, historically speaking

The trouble with even supposedly decent commenters is occasionally they can’t help being, well, British.

This week is, or should be, a humiliation for the Brexit-supporting politicians and pundits who got us into this predicament.

The UK is now sitting there, impotent, waiting, while Ireland and France decide what is to become of us.

"Taking back control" never looked so hollow.

— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) April 9, 2019

Christ imagine how awful it would be with another country telling you what to do! Like being a colony or something.

being kind, thats thru the lens of the brexiter pov

Yeah but you don’t have to couch it in their terms. They’re out there saying this and worse every day of the week.

Ireland and France too, only two of England's favourite countries.

two of England's favourite countries

papists (shudder)

famous lovers

Plug the percentages of 2016 Leave/Remain/Didn't Vote into that survey above and first-pref is:

Remain 46.0%
Softer B 14.1%
WA 11.5%
ND 25.7%

(Too tired to figure out why that is only 97.3%)

So... WA eliminated, and presumably Remain edges over 50% in 2nd round on 2nd pref, certainly by the 3rd. Look forward to widespread acceptance of that outcome.

soooo is there a possibility that remain is a possible outcome? like, things back to the way they were?

yea but very very difficult to call odds on it

could be as low as 80%

Xp this is a deeply misleading way of communicating what is basically someone guessing, but it’s in true ballpark of EU technocratic conventional wisdom afaict https://jonworth.eu/brexit-where-now-the-flow-diagrams/. So in answer to your question: yes.

Apparently there were Tories upset at HRH for assenting to the Cooper bill yesterday? The idea being she should have withheld assent for “constitutional reasons”? And are now saying the Monarchy is finished as a supposed bulwark of democracy? Anyway lol

*record scratch* *freezeframe*

you're probably wondering how i ended up insulting the queen

Amused that our conservative friends are so willing to throw out a millennium of establishing the primacy of parliament in these matter for something so young, base and foreign as democracy. The duke of Wellington must be spinning in his grave.

And besides. Absolute monarchy is so very French.

Xp this is a deeply misleading way of communicating what is basically someone guessing, but it’s in true ballpark of EU technocratic conventional wisdom afaict https://jonworth.eu/brexit-where-now-the-flow-diagrams🕸/. So in answer to your question: yes.

Looking back at the old flowcharts is a trip. We have been hard into No Deal multiple times according to many of them but someone - often May, tbf - conjures up with something not on there and we’re off down a whole new route.

Telling how often the next chart starts with some event that wasn’t even on the radar of the previous.

On that measure tomorrow Boris will schism the Tories (0.4) at long last.

Right. Backtesting those charts suggests the guy has no idea what he’s talking about. But tbf neither does anyone else.

The Tories are going to explode, aren’t they?

People have been promising this for ages, and as the only silver lining in all of this ghastly mess it is devoutly to be wished, but I'll believe it when i see it.

if someone would have told me they'd limp on for another two years as a minority gov after the last election - I might have thought about opening a vessel! But I genuinely feel a reckoning is coming for this dead, amoral shower of a party.

as long as 40-odd percent of the elective are instinctively dead and amoral i doubt it

electorate, obv

Some of that 40% are only voting for them because of Brexit, that might erode pretty quickly in the event of a long extension, as seems likely. Some of the others are only voting Tory because of Corbynfear and they can probably be relied upon to stick around for a bit.

On one hand the receding spectre of No Deal is a good thing, on the other hand, what the hell happens for the rest of this year? More uncertainty and pissing about? Does anyone actually believe this will be resolved by the end of the year?