2020 Democratic presidential primary

The toughest thing about balancing a mindset of abundance with a mindset of scarcity is that they both can be correct and helpful in the same day. Too much of an abundance mindset and you wind up with Fyre Festival.

— Andrew Yang (@AndrewYang) April 7, 2019

what

where does gorilla mindset come into play

He's a TED Talk generating AI come to life.

Right-wing authoritarians backed by a network of multi-billionaire oligarchs are forming a common front.

Is this actually true?

I imagine he's principally thinking of the Kochs + folks like these

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-18/orban-s-tentacles-extend-in-balkans-as-tycoon-friends-hunt-deals
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/billionaire-backing-may-have-helped-launch-afd-a-1241029.html

"common front" is sort of an ambiguous phrase because it could just mean they behave similarly to protect their interests as opposed to actively "colluding" or whatever

The Butt was just on MTP.

WATCH: Mayor Pete Buttigieg says "America is a capitalist society" but it's got to be "democratic capitalism." #MTP #IfItsSunday@PeteButtigieg: "If you want to see what happens when you have capitalism without democracy, you can see it very clearly in Russia." pic.twitter.com/p5mNUAk7D9

— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) April 7, 2019

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Warren is looking better and better

warren wagon needs to take over the bernie thread imo

chuck todd is like "yessss! yessssss ahahahahahaha, yesssssss

xp I love Warren, but....why?

She is a very good candidate but tbh by all currently available metrics she has nowhere near Bernie levels of support.

btw city treasurer pete actually gave a decent answer to that question (as usual). the answer to "are you a capitalist?" on meet the press with chuck fucking todd is always going to be a disappointment. but he gives a very warren-esque answer to it, which highlights the ways that our american capitalism have almost nothing to do with "free market" ideals

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/elizabeth-warrens-theory-of-capitalism/568573/

xxp I'm fine with Sanders too, not that my late Oregon vote matters

mostly speaking in terms of my personal metrics here for the candidates and not "electability" which, like, who the fuck even knows what that is anymore

also thanks Karl for clarifying

Franklin Foer: All the investment bankers who have voodoo dolls of you might be a bit surprised that you recently described yourself as “capitalist to the bone.” What did you mean?

Elizabeth Warren: I believe in markets and the benefits they can produce when they work. Markets with rules can produce enormous value. So much of the work I have done—the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, my hearing-aid bill—are about making markets work for people, not making markets work for a handful of companies that scrape all the value off to themselves. I believe in competition.

so elizabeth warren could be sitting in that chair, and chuck todd could ask "are you a capitalist? give us your blood!!", and she might give that very answer above.

I mean, doesn't Warren identify as a capitalist in that way as well? 6xp! yes, that's more fleshed out, thanks

Warren has proposed much more sweeping reforms than Buttigieg, so far.

policy-wise bernie and liz are so close together and apart from the rest of the field that the ideal situation for supporters of each to hope each goes very deep into the season. Better that they are two of the last three standing than the final debates feature only one or the other while Harris and Biden or whoever are battling for the nomination in a race to the center.

Will enthusiastically support either of these two but still not nuts about the likelihood that Warren voted for Reagan 2x, HW Bush and Bob Dole before her conversion

I'm not crazy about it either, but she is still better than all the non-Bernie choices

indeed

xp I love Warren, but....why?

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, April 7, 2019 11:19 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

her policies are better and she wouldn't be in her late 80's by the time her second term would be over

Whats the general consensus about how this is going to pan out? Is there anything to suggest this isn't going to end up as a run off between Kamala and Bernie?

WATCH: Mayor Pete Buttigieg says "America is a capitalist society" but it's got to be "democratic capitalism." #MTP #IfItsSunday@PeteButtigieg: "If you want to see what happens when you have capitalism without democracy, you can see it very clearly in Russia." pic.twitter.com/p5mNUAk7D9
— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) April 7, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, April 7, 2019 10:47 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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― you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison), Sunday, April 7, 2019 10:48 AM (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

didn't he say this verbatim in the Morning Joe interview everyone was super impressed by?

or one of the big interviews. maybe not the Morning Joe one.

Kamala is consistently polling like 4th or 5th iirc? Bernie vs Beto seems more likely at this point. (I still think Biden might not run at all and the Dem establishment will coalesce around Beto, or possibly Mayor Pete.) But there's still a long way to go. xxp

my evershifting preferences:

warren
sanders
-
mayor pete
-
harris
inslee (i know)
...
gillibrand
booker
castro
biden
...
beto
klobuchar
biden

on buttigieg, i must admit that i'm persuaded by his ability to consistently form complete sentences that contain arguments, even when i don't agree with them. he is very smart, and i find that to be an electable quality. i can see him being an affective administrator and leader. people who work for him probably don't have to clean his hairbrush after he eats with it. they probably enjoy working for him? i think i would? i don't know, prepared to eat shit on all of that

that's right, an affective administrator. i stand by it

inslee is pretty good, no shame in that placement imo

Bernie is def TOO OLD but with the right VP I could see it working

beto o'rourke having a chance is so dumb. why are people so dumb!

xps mb fair enough, I just don't see the advantage—if the goal is to see EW's positions forwarded— to positing her opposite Bernie, with whom she is more or less in lockstep, than the dozen+ moderate candidates already crowding the field

Something about his hair disturbs me: like a newscaster at a south Indiana ABC affiliate in 1985.

Mayor Pete, that is.

Kamala is consistently polling like 4th or 5th iirc? Bernie vs Beto seems more likely at this point. (I still think Biden might not run at all and the Dem establishment will coalesce around Beto, or possibly Mayor Pete.) But there's still a long way to go. xxp

― Simon H., Sunday, 7 April 2019

Thanks, appreciate your take! Biden seems dead in the water to me, he always polls well at first until he speaks. and, 'he stood next to Obama a few times' isn't a good strategy. Agree the Dem establishment will coalesce around one candidate, and probably early, but Beto seems to have got off to a poor start? Doesn't seem to be clicking, and Kamala ticks a lot of boxes for an establishment choice, more so than Beto if you're looking for one to go with against Bernie?

xp

with inslee i'm having terrible flashbacks to the month or so that i supported john edwards in 2008 because his climate policy was stronger than obama/clinton and it helped to push them in a better direction. and also i know he has absolutely no chance of winning. his purpose is to push the other candidates on climate change, and i hope he succeeds

xxp he's got that Nathan Fielder look

beto o'rourke having a chance is so dumb. why are people so dumb!

but crut - he stands on a dusty highway in a clean white shirt, and he's handsome!

omg, if mayor pete became president and SNL hired nathan fielder...all bets are off but if nothing else SNL would immediately become literally 4324028532 trillions times better than the dogshit it's been for 40 years

My picks at the moment, descending order:

Warren
Sanders
Harris

And I'm lying: I'm attracted to Harris as a candidate despite Sanders besting her on policy because she's younger and in the right setting can be as articulate as Buttigieg.

Alfred otm. I think it'd be a much healthier primary if it were Harris instead of Biden or O'Rourke in the establishment seat. Also I think she panders better than either of them.

If SNL actually reached out to Nathan Fielder I would hope he'd be smart enough to turn it down.

she panders better than either of them

otm and I don't entirely mean it as a diss

If I include Sanders at all, it's from a sense of obligation. I really don't want him.

I think Harris and Bernie could both stand toe-to-toe w/ Trump and take him down on the campaign trail, not sure I feel the same about Warren

Youtube really wants me to watch Andrew Yang debate Ben Shapiro right now. :(

"the Industrial Revolution, Universal Basic Income, climate change, circumcision, and much more"

nooooooooo

hahahaha