Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

Yes. But also can we infer that in their 7-hour meeting yesterday this conclusion was openly discussed and agreed on?

I don't believe May openly discusses anything at all with her Cabinet.

some interesting rubbish from anthony barnett

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/what-should-corbyn-do-now-response-aaron-bastani/

it confronts us with an unavoidable binary choice. We are either in the EU or not. The key question is which of these two outcomes can then create an inclusive future.

The decisive failure of all the Brexiteers and Lexiteers is that they have shown themselves incapable of reaching out and building support. The kind of country they want us to be has shown itself to be ineradicably divisive in a deeply unproductive way. I would argue that this follows from their ‘Great British’ exceptionalism and its superiority complex. But whatever the reason, they cannot resolve the divisions Nandy identifies.

But we – the remain side – can. We can win the argument to remain in the EU as democrats, not would-be aristocrats. This is why Nandy and you are profoundly mistaken to think you can swerve around a clear resolution by embracing a soft Brexit. This will preserve the very divisions you wish to overcome. We have to build on the democracy that was the kernel of the 2016 referendum; make its moral force our own and apply it to ensuring people can have control by putting any deal back to them in a People Vote.

i don't really disagree with that prognosis -- barnett is not a fool -- but i'm a bit baffled by the when and where of "making its moral force our own". the "we" in question has a few days and not much of a platform, novara notwithstanding

late entrant for the gold medal in the gammon-safari olympics from the grauniad today btw

strolling past the green where the market town of Grantham is soon to erect a statue of its most famous daughter, William Hemstell admitted to having mixed feelings about the news that the local MP Nick Boles was quitting the party which Margaret Thatcher once led.

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“I had faith in him one time but he’s been part of a great betrayal of voters by some MPs at Westminster,” said Anthony Peres, 33, a photographer, satanist (“We’re a diverse bunch”) and Ukip voter in the Lincolnshire constituency that recorded one of the country’s largest votes for Brexit with 60% of voters backing leave.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8d60602806a239d04c166f3c1fa27803fab2bb3e/520_470_6089_3653/master/6089.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=789a31628757532c71bfbb466dacee04

bringing the church of satan into disrepute

though suppose lafey has quite a lot in common with ayn rand so maybe this is a natural constituency of pricks

https://66.media.tumblr.com/5ce16a7d85f6a951f102d7993d529dbf/tumblr_nsm1m4mrjG1r1pstjo2_400.gif

lord satan please give me the strength i need to not attempt to friend this guy on facebook

can't believe there's a self-identified Satanist with dodgy views on nationalism

how many lapsed catholic observers of this thread always thought satanists were evil fuckers anyway? :p

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Caroline Johnson, a Tory, asks about the risk of a no-deal Brexit compared to the risk to the country from a “Marxist, antisemite-led government”.

May says she wants a Brexit deal.

xps I'm generally sympathetic to Barnett as one of the few ppl taking constitutional reform seriously but being out there in 2019 pushing the idea that Brexit is a binary issue is absurd and helps obscure the nonsense of a remain victory dissolving the country's divisions, without getting into the biz of democracy

do what thou wilt to minorities, the poor and the vulnerable shall be the whole of the law

(apologies to aleister c, by no means a satanist)

Crowley described himself at various times as a High Tory, a Jacobite, a bigoted legitimist, and a supporter of the Carlists; a British patriot; and an Irish nationalist.

poll

wait waht

It’s one of the most tantalizing rumors on the internet. Aleister Crowley, one of the most famous masters of the occult ever, was secretly the father of Barbara Bush—and thus, also the grandfather of George W. Bush and Jeb Bush. Is it true? Do we care?

The notion that Crowley could be the grandfather of one of the two or three best presidents of the 21st century has gone beyond the internet—a cursory search finds this idea in a number of books, including a recent Chuck Klosterman volume. The evidence boils down to claims that Barbara Bush’s mother, Pauline Pierce, was in Paris in the 1920s and apparently “partied” with Crowley, eight months before Barbara was born. And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.”

"I'm absolutely appalled" - Conservative Iain Duncan Smith says Theresa May's #Brexit talks with Jeremy Corbyn "legitimises a Marxist whose sole purpose in life is to do real damage to the country" https://t.co/OjlUUixYrJ pic.twitter.com/eZhUig1chw

— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) April 3, 2019

one of the two or three best presidents of the 21st century

god forbid we allow politicians to do real damage to the country

*no-deal brexit throbs in the background*

Yeah, I was just about to post that, what an artfully subtle burn.

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this is for silby since I saw he (?) posted a Fiddler on the Roof thread, but this kind of nonsense fits better itt:

I made the misguided decision to make one more of these Bercow things. Now I've *really* got to get on with some work. pic.twitter.com/Oczl2x3ClS

— Rhodri Marsden (@rhodri) March 29, 2019

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-juncker/eus-juncker-no-more-short-brexit-delays-without-exit-deal-approval-by-apr-12-idUSKCN1RF1IK

EU's Juncker: no more short Brexit delays without exit deal approval by Apr.12

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said Britain would not get any further short delays to Brexit unless its factious parliament ratifies the EU exit deal on Apr. 12 at the latest.

“The 12th of April is the ultimate deadline for approval of the Withdrawal Agreement by the House of Commons,” Juncker told the European Parliament. “If it has not done so by then, no further short extension will be possible.”

“A ‘no-deal’ at midnight on the 12th of April is now a very likely scenario. It is not the outcome I want. But it is an outcome for which I have made sure the EU is ready.”

lol we're all gonna die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN6ngThqMEs

Juncker is basically trying to ensure May can’t keep extending for short periods. It’s no deal or long extension basically, and May didn’t deny the UK could be doing Euro elections at PMQs afaict?

if we have EU elections and the gammons organize a boycott how will anybody notice?

Juncker has been consistently playing bad cop to Tusk's good cop so I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Long extension is the way to go anyway, fuck all this pissing around pretending you're going to have everything magically sorted in a month.

Also why can't I think of a single pork product/Satanism pun this is awful.

XXp think it was only gammons that voted in them last time

good point BB

chuck klosterman knows where its at

what this fractured political landscape needs is someone to ask the hard questions, like 'was barbara bush aleisteir crowley's moonchild and did the bush family help usher in the age of horus'

Grant Morrison to thread

British tourists will be banned from taking beloved UK delicacies such as cornish pasties, pork pies and even cheddar cheese on holiday to the EU after a no deal Brexit, senior EU official said today.

— James Crisp (@JamesCrisp6) April 3, 2019

What about James crisps?

always used to worry in the ferry queue with a boot full of French cheese and charcuterie if we were gonna get pulled on some technicality, this'll just make it even more like Midnight Express

Remember that Crowley wrote the following description of the regime under Horus in 1904. He said:

"Everywhere his government is taking root. Observe for yourselves the decay of the sense of sin, the growth of innocence and irresponsibility, the strange modifications of the reproductive instinct with a tendency to become bi-sexual or epicene, the childlike confidence in progress combined with a nightmare fear of catastrophe, against which we are yet half unwilling to take precautions. Consider the outcrop of dictatorships, only possible when moral growth is in its earliest stages, and the prevalence of infantile cults like Communism, Fascism, Pacifism, health crazes, occultism in nearly all its forms, religions sentimentalized to a point of practical extinction. Consider the populatiry of the cinema, the wireless, the football pools and guessing competitions, all devices for soothing fractious infants, no seed of purpose in them. Consider sport, the babyish enthusiasms and rages which it excites, whole nations disturbed by disputes between boys. Consider war, the atrocities which occur daily and leave us unmoved and hardly worried. We are children."

there u have it, the football pools caused brexit

tbh british cheddar is the only export I'll miss, RIP

Cornish Pasties have been shit since the 1980s

what level of gammon is 'taking a suitcase full cornish pasties on holiday so you don't have to eat that funny foreign muck'

I don't think that was written in 1904.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qOfdo9oFDkU/maxresdefault.jpg

brb looking into starting a lucrative Only Fools and Horses DVD smuggling racket

sorry, the aeon of horus began in 1904 - crowley wrote that after the fact

otherwise of course it's 100% true and accurate

president xi, please send the nukes now

This is worthy of Yes Prime Minister. Govt source on challenge of reaching agreement between Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn on a customs union: our position is a customs union but we don’t call it that. Labour’s position is not a customs union but they do call it that...

— Nicholas Watt (@nicholaswatt) April 3, 2019

...so the source says the challenge is to persuade Jeremy Corbyn to sign up to Theresa May’s non customs union customs union and not call it a customs union. This would put the UK in a customs union with the EU which would then not be called a customs union@BBCNewsnight

— Nicholas Watt (@nicholaswatt) April 3, 2019

pools coupons led to football accs and fixed odds betting terminals which led to crack cocaine and fluid free sexuality and identity politics iirc

Well it did for me, sure