Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

JC is a bit clueless on scotland but he likely knows that labour had lost their majority in 1976 and promised a devolution referendum to the snp to prop up their government, they then put in amendment to the act that 40% of the total electorate had to vote for it, rather than a simple majority. it failed due to that amendment. it was a betrayal. the people who ended up really helping thatcher in power were the english electorate.

the SNP, as useless a big-tent managerial centrist party as it is, is meant to represent voters in scotland. voters in scotland didn't vote for brexit. it's their mandate to oppose it.

people in scotland know it’s ahistorical nonsense though. it echoes foulkes-esque nonsense and riles up ppl he should be looking to attract

they need better lines on the SNP but fear UK LAB are getting direction from the (borderline-inept) SLAB on that

there was a non-zero amount of people in scotland (and the SNP membership) who voted leave. they should at least have supported some of the compromise motions. instead they chose “stop brexit or, if it is to happen, it should be as disruptive as possible”

strikes me that their support for a second referendum could set them quite a dangerous precedent

yeah but for some reason people itt are completely wedded to the idea that for political reasons labour can't oppose brexit and that labour are playing a blinder, but conversely can't believe that seeking to represent a country in which every region voted remain, where you have lots of marginal seats, backing brexit would be politically harmful for the snp

chances of a scottish independence referendum happening in the next 10 years or so must be perishingly slim, sturgeon seems to have accepted that

I’m not suggesting the SNP should back Brexit? If a GE happens & the SNP take back the labour gains and therefore the Tories stay in, that’s no good for the second referendum either. But if you want to remain, part of bringing people with you should be ruling out various options as you go - and if you can’t get to where you want to, get the least damaging outcome? Labour and the SNP are in very different places on Brexit in part because the political costs to them are very different.

labour's results in scotland will never be what determines the general election. they did poorly last time round, gaining half the seats of the tories.

i don't believe snp should back a soft brexit, it goes against what they've been saying the whole time and would be politically costly.

But for most of the time since the referendum Labour backing remain/revoke/2nd ref would have been too?

If a Brexit is unavoidable it would be better to not have the version directed by the ERG, no?

the SNP published a white paper (two?) on compromise proposals and had compromise as their position in their GE17 manifesto?

The SNP have not once missed a chance to attack Labour in this Parliament

Sticks in the craw this given that the Tories are now the main opposition in Scotland, but it's what you expect from cunts like the Lib Dems and the SNP.

the snp manifesto was for a vote on independence when the Brexit terms were established, which seems very quaint now

ni voted remain sayin

it makes sense though, in the current context, because it gives them an easily communicable position in a GE

If you don't spend every waking hour attacking the Tories and all they stand for you're dead to me tbh.

redmondite snp!

(does that even work, gyac?)

they then put in amendment to the act that 40% of the total electorate had to vote for it, rather than a simple majority. it failed due to that amendment. it was a betrayal.

You mean like Remainers think should have happened in the EU Referendum?

... or something similar.

the UN later used it as a teaching example for anti democratic things not to do when you run a referendum

Yes, better off with a simple majority, no arguments there.

If footballer managers were UK MPs, a thread

— Mark White (@markwhlte) March 27, 2019

Simon Bercow: Unai Emery

Trying to hold a fractured organisation together (Parliament/Arsenal), both are considered generally good guys without having hugely progressive philosophies. Both have a problem with egos around them (leading Tories/Neymar). pic.twitter.com/g6VWvSvqA2

— Mark White (@markwhlte) March 27, 2019

Hunt/José very otm

knew who may would be before opening

we all did

If you don't spend every waking hour attacking the Tories and all they stand for you're dead to me tbh.

― Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.

For two (three?) successive elections the SNP have openly stated they will do whatever it takes wrt coalitions to keep the Tories out of Downing Street. Labour have consistently rejected the possibility of working with them. In these days of hung parliaments and narrow majorities that means Labour keeps Tories in power.

There's got to be a better Sarri than Arlene Foster.

(xp) Apologies if I've overlooked all those possible Labour/SNP coalition governments that the Labour Party have scuppered over the last 10 years.

I feel sick from anxiety.

why is everyone pretending that the political declaration is an agreement on the future relationship? it's not. it's a vague set of aspirations. future rlship would all have to be fought over later regardless!

Varoufakis talkin sense on QT

"this is the kind of deal that you only sign if you're a country defeated in war"

Varoufakis reminds me of Bojack Horseman... Somehow.

He's been mostly right here though. Jfc Damian Hinds is awful isn't he?

Varoufakis with allllll the truth bombs.

You've gone on Question Time you're not right

I'm having to switch this off, I can't stand Damien Fuckface beginning every single sentence with "So..."

that's my word

QT is bad and if you're watching it yr judgment is bad hence my distrust of varoufakis stands w/o me having to watch and check if he's right abt anything

(xp) You're not on telly though.

what's the odds actual money odds now on no deal

12/5 no deal brexit in 2019

via paddy power

No (Withdrawal Agreement is ratified, Article 50 extended beyond 2019 or Article 50 revoked) = 3/10
Yes (UK leave the EU in 2019 without Withdrawal Agreement in place) 12/5

ty

ive a close friend in dfa who this evening has told me to lump on, whatever hes heard.

i wont but hey ~intrigue~

A diplomatic note of today's meeting seen by @BuzzFeedNews says that in event of a no-deal exit, the EU will have three pre-conditions before starting trade talk.

One of them is the Northern Ireland backstop https://t.co/T7xYccLlWR pic.twitter.com/fyOdn0HUdR

— Stuart Millar (@stuartmillar159) March 28, 2019

well

i think it may have come up before now tbftteu

QT is wrong it's true. i found myself staring down the barrel of a pulsating rees-mogg on the first channel so i think my judgement could be questioned on all fronts frankly.

lmao

2016:
“Let’s take back control”

2019:
“What’s happening?”
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Seconded, cabinet minister otfm.