Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

whelks in the other kinds of tank

i mean, i know you are bill but what am i

Reading the results in detail, Labour could have got a number of those well over the line.

the idea wasn't to get anything over the line it was to set up a runoff afaict?

So if I understand the situation, Theresa May doesn't have enough support to resign successfully.

— Liam Kirkaldy (@HolyroodLiam) March 27, 2019

wait i just found out the EU banned memes, i am bill cash's whelk now

the idea wasn't to get anything over the line it was to set up a runoff afaict?

Would Ken Clarke's option or the PV win the runoff, do we think? Presuming it's just those two in the running now

lol what scenes what scenes bercow for british taoiseach

Clarke could win the runoff if the SNP support it; difficult to see what soft votes are left to be switched behind PV.

xp how would you feel if I told you Bercow is an Arsenal fan

id believe u

Bercow, Corbyn AND Comrade Alphabet - a coalition of short-passing connoisseurs

Is Clarke's a leave-in-name-alone option, or would it result in concrete changes to people's lives

none of these votes count til Monday, so no point worrying about it now. Customs union solves NI I think? Maybe? Anyway, here’s Bercow on Arsenal fan tv.
https://youtu.be/ifQxEurjiDo

customs union would negate need for hard border is my understanding

none of these votes matter as such if we can trust in May's obduracy

'round here usually when the executive ignores the law it's at least a little bit clandestine and remote from the legislature, like CIA black sites or waging undeclared drone wars, but May ignoring what Parliament says Brexit means would be pretty uh ballsy

its explicit that these are non binding and exploratory in nature, i think the intention really is to sincerely see what might achieve consensus

insisting that it bind would narrow the freedom, as whipping would almost certainly exert a greater influence

whether parliament has the will if consensus majority were achieved to force may to execute is doubtful tho?

If it gets to the point that there are sufficient votes to compel May to follow parliament it will be exceedingly bizarre if a VONC can’t be won. Which means it’s a cert.

"Why won't the Labour leadership support a referendum?" is already becoming the "when's International Men's Day?" of Brexit discourse, I see.

Stephen Kinnock, the son of a former EU Commissioner and husband of the former Danish PM, abstained on the referendum vote. Bet that's going to be fun at Christmas.

I’m really stuck on something. The Labour position...is it really as split as it seems or is there a looooooong maneuver happening?

— wheatus (@wheatus) March 28, 2019

wheatus............ thank,s

xp Labour have proposed motions with a 2nd ref at least three times now and none of them have passed. Totally accurate comparison.

Honestly think the 2nd ref crowd should throw in behind soft Brexit options and revoke; if you get the house to support a soft Brexit (which I think is entirely plausible), the next argument is surely “why bother at all?”

"Why won't the Labour leadership support a referendum?" is already becoming the "when's International Men's Day?" of Brexit discourse, I see.

"Why aren't the English allowed to celebrate St George's Day the way the Irish celebrate St Patrick's Day?"

the idea wasn't to get anything over the line it was to set up a runoff afaict?

Yes, which makes it even more surprising just how close some of them got to outright majority.
― stet, Wednesday, March 27, 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

How does this runoff work? Is the least popular options dropped off and then we go again or what?

Why would that change anything? MPs were already not restricted to only voting for just one thing (though I'd be fascinated to see how many did)

they want to do ranked preferences on Monday too. don't ask me why they didn't do that yesterday

Last night's results might embolden a few people and get them off the fence, plus it's highlighted the best Stop No Deal options. A second bite at the Cherry Amendment might get it a few more votes as well.

I guess the deal making that didn't happen yesterday between the SNP and Labour can happen in subsequent votes.

the two that commanded most support: permanent customs Union and confirmatory vote. You could bundle those two things together. but as gyac notes, if that's what you're doing, why bother leaving in the first place?

Because 17.4 million blah blah blah but I am wondering why these people, unique to all voters, are allowed to have their satisfaction ringfenced?

Conservative Home named what it considered to be the leadership front runners and obvious candidates.

James Cleverly, David Davis, Liam Fox, Michael Gove, Matt Hancock, Mark Harper, Jeremy Hunt, Sajid Javid, Boris Johnson, Brandon Lewis, Esther McVey, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Amber Rudd, Rory Stewart, Tom Tugendhat, Elizabeth Truss, Gavin Williamson

They also have a list of 12 questions any prospective leadership candidate must answer and why, and I’m dying at these ones:

You have a choice of attending a Channel 4 party or mixing in a provincial pub bar. Look us in the eye and tell us at which you feel more at home, and why?

And if you think we need less of it – or that it must be constrained, in the One Nation tradition – how will you win “the battle of ideas” against Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour?

TBH the funniest thing about last night was the DUP catching Boris Johnson with his pants down, he's alienated Hard Brexiters and committed to supporting a deal he knows will fail. Dude would be an atrocious poker player.

Conservative Home named some Tories they'd heard of.

xp don’t be so sure, he’s proven indestructible so far.

Most eye opening detail I learned from Yesterday in Parliament: some MPs tried in vain to start a Mexican wave before the indicative vote results came back. I mean, where to start?

— Owen Gibson (@owen_g) March 28, 2019

They were the Independent Group MPs!

I know Boris has said a lot of things in the past and none of it actually matters but i remember him vehemently maintaining that he didn't care if Northern Ireland stayed part of the UK and that it should be put to a democratic vote, about ten years ago, in one of his comedy quiz show appearances. I'm sure someone has dug that up or will shortly.

This is only something that people will care about on the right side of the Irish Sea.

Honestly think the 2nd ref crowd should throw in behind soft Brexit options and revoke; if you get the house to support a soft Brexit (which I think is entirely plausible), the next argument is surely “why bother at all?”

― gyac, Thursday, 28 March 2019 07:20 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and the loudest voices among the askers will likely be the erg

Customs Union isn't really soft Brexit though. No FoM no credibility tbh.

Interesting how EFTA/EEA (which is now being talked about as dead) has the fewest Tory no votes of all the sane options, and barely any Labour votes at all on either side. That's the softest Brexit on the paper; hope it survives until Monday

Westminster apparently stopped even mentioning FoM a few months ago, I don't know if it's a deliberate attempt to avoid talking about immigration because they've realised that no one will win - least of all Brexiters. It's all been about trade, regulation, workers rights etc.

presuming that its one of mays reddest lines then its entirely of a piece with the rest of them that it hasnt received any attention

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/eu-to-stop-mediterranean-migrant-rescue-boat-patrols

Europe isn't that keen on FoM either.

perform your civic duty and vote Who will be next Tory leader?

Die Welt has a Bercow interview, and this extremely direct question will no doubt cheer up the Bercow haters itt.

WELT: You are now considered one of the most liberal and cross-party politicians. This is remarkable because, as a youngster, you started your political career in a right-wing xenophobic group. How this process devoloped and what made you change?

Bercow's response: "BLOBBY BLOBBY BLOBBY" (screamed)

Sorry imago you will have to strike him off your good Tory list now.

Get a room tbh

Yes imago and the Tory party will need to get a room otm

bercow is committed to the best* working of parliament as a machine to produce political effects, which is a materialist praxis and therefore good even when the effects are bad

*or better say crunchiest, since a lot of what's being ground to pieces currently seems to the spectacular norms of the last three decades