"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

The one thing that could really fuck us up is May being toppled immediately and a even-worse headbanger getting in (or the process leading to paralysis and our tripping past April 11). So glad to see shit like this:

Jeremy Hunt does not back Lidington because he thinks he will do a deal with Labour for permanent membership of a customs union

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) March 23, 2019

i am at a party tonight in the function room of a London pub and while it's a birthday party and not an anti-Brexit party, um, you Britishes listen to far more Abba than any non-European realistically would. RUMBLED. PERMANENTLY I'M AFRAID

huge if true

leave could mean a lot of things

This coup stuff is hilarious. They appear to be unable to decide who could replace her and are descending into squabbling. Probably need some indicative WhatsApp votes

an "agreed succession" rather than leadership election, lool !

hang on "everybody (backstreet's back)" just came on, no deal is a go

So what's the hope for a way out that isn't through? I can't see it. Apart from the Tories rotally collapsing, sufficient delay and a GE until which time Labour do have to keep up the quantum superposition. Either that or the EU can somehow manouver the Tories towards a cuddlier brexit rather than no-deal? Nah, no idea.

I don't want to think too much about how this is affecting my non-British parents (who've been here 50+ years FFS). They'd be justified in having some very fuckin' real concerns right now.

That's totally, not "rotally" although that might be fun to watch as well.

I'm losing it. But all I can see is that stopping brexit now doesn't put it rest at all, as policy would cripple the Labour larty for 'a generation' whatever else happens, AND just seems very unlikely under any circumstance anyway.

So if you oppose a Labour-managed brexit you're basically all in with the Tories, hard brexit and possibly no deal.

Maybe it's time Labour did actually state it in those terms.

“Compromise Caretaker” incoming.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2YJ5r3XQAEj0Jw.jpg:large

i couldn't be with you yesterday but Fizzles nailed down every aspect of FUCK AN FBPE that i would mildly like to agree with

also gyac and stripey on further reading

enjoying this morning's "maybe we might vote for your deal if you promise to seppuku" cobblers

Yes just catching up with the thread and enjoyed the discussion of the march yesterday.

I don't think it's true at all that supporting a second referendum or stopping Brexit would cripple Labour for a generation. No one seriously believes Labour is a full throated anti European party and, as I keep saying, Brexit doesn't matter to voters as much as other issues.

If I were a Labour strategist I would worry more about the substantial body of evidence that suggests that Labour don't win elections in a recession, even if it's a Tory one. And we are very likely to be in recession soon.

It bears repeating - in 30 years people will still be feeling the consequences of what happens in the next few weeks. Long after most people have forgotten who Jeremy Corbyn was. Support or antipathy for him shouldn't affect anyone's thinking, it's much bigger than that. Remain and then deal with the causes of Brexit is the only sane route right now.

Sorry, that should be in or shortly after a recession.

I wouldn't give a shit about in or out if it was under 30 years of same old neolib economic fuckery tbh

Corbyn as person(ality) is only an issue for fucking idiots, in whatever side of a political argument

neolib fuckery is on the way out either way, but surely we'd rather tackle it from inside the EU

Sure, probably, it's obviously not an either/or, but the EU is not some panacea for economic or social democracy, which is part of the reason that it's not a number one issue for anybody except racist nutters and fans of Provence

well of course not, but the safeguards it does offer are precisely what are preventing full tax-haven feudalism. we need to put a spoke in the Tories' wheels before we vote them out

idk

and speaking of voting them out, anyone who doesn't have legitimate concerns about Corbyn's electability at this point, REGARDLESS OF HIS MERITS, is in denial imo

anybody who thinks that the media's antipathy to Corbyn is even remotely connected to him as a person rather than the vaguest of challenges to the current hegemony that the current Labour Party represents is oh i'll stop externalising my bile

yeah obviously the right-wing media fuckmachine will come after any Labour leader let alone any left-wing Labour leader but you have to handle it and fight back. I have always felt Corbyn to be overly supine in the face of outright slander and misrepresentation

what i am saying is, we need to promote the message rather than the messenger

Your faith in politics as Britain's Got Talent is a symptom of a massive element of the problem tbh buddy

i'm aware of that but if the electorate were all thoughtful ilx types who actually focus on substance and nuance i wouldn't be saying any of this, because corbyn would already be PM

Supporting a people's vote or stopping brexit prematurely would have been disastrous for Labour. Opposition to their strategy along those lines has been misplaced or disingenuous. And that opposition from remainers (or let's face it, crypto neolibs and Tories) has enabled things to get this close to 'brink'.

Now though I don't see why not, fuck it. Labour is now the party of stop brexit and everything is butterflies and meadows.

The EU is not the problem so let's stop brexit and have Tories or red Tories and all will be well and everyone who wanted to leave will see how silly they'd been and forget the whole business.

Sorry I seem to have misplaced my tincture.

I'll have whatever you're having :)

100% pure Lavazza AIH.

what level of FBPE are u on ? pffft u r like a little baby

oh wow there's actually a worst one pic.twitter.com/m0ZkByvxtS

— steffan (@SteffanBlayney) March 24, 2019

you'd need to be on some strong shit to believe the "protections" offered by EU membership have been worth shit for millions of UK citizens in the last decade. I know there is allsorts of fuckery happening to EU migrants post brexit and it sucks shit, but these EU flag wavers/face paint muppets make me want to vom, seriously!

:D ;_; :D ;_; :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxsyW2XkNf4

xp but also yeah calz otm as ever

PRESS! Please Interview Me! looks pretty fucking funny too

Apropos of nothing pic.twitter.com/C8nd0jEeCS

— Kevin Boniface (@MrKevinBoniface) March 24, 2019

We will find a brighter day.

and speaking of voting them out, anyone who doesn't have legitimate concerns about Corbyn's electability

Who's your choice?

The one thing that could really fuck us up is May being toppled immediately

how does she get toppled?

it sounds like she's going to be pressured to walk with some (lol) modicum of dignity to make way for "continuity caretaker" manager (worst expression you could possibly use in the current circumstances), Mickey Goveardyce.

Sarah Vine getting it from all sides on Twitter today for being particularly unpleasant about yesterday’s march - NAGL for a potential PM spouse. She bullied a kind, clever friend of mine at work when she was a Times editor (and exacerbated her MH problems) so my hatred of her is ahead of the curve.

at least someone thinks Gove is a bit of a catch, she been to specsavers recently?

I once heard her without any irony or outright pisstaking describe him as an "alpha male".

he likes nubile young women iirc

Yeah suzy even as a miserable class-war cynic i can't find much reason to be horrible about a march like yesterday, it's a terrible look to be dismissive if you have pretentions to actual political involvement

I was talking to a farmer and a fisherman today (Brexit voters) about marching yesterday and they LOATHE the ERG wing of the Tories (with New Labour/TIG types coming a close second). They weren’t at all dismissive or snarky about the march and I reckon they’d tolerate a softer Brexit than the current government is trying to insist people like them want. The fisherman likes Corbyn and worries The Suits will get to him.