Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

I don't love Tarantino, but I don't completely hate him, either. To me, his films are a bit thin on heavy ideas, and they throw a lot of style at you. But on second thought, I'll bet that like me he's read a lot of the Manson material and felt there was a mystique there, or a lot of nagging questions, when you read all that stuff, you feel unsatisfied (they're all about the gore and the beautiful people who died), and maybe, like the Aquarius thing, getting into the milieu around Manson might give you a more complete sense of what was going on in LA back then. Maybe that's more of what I'm looking for, so I'll def watch it.

The thing I hate about Manson movies is that the dudes never look like Manson, but this one does, and I always find that distracting. The other movies make Manson too Jesus-like.

But HOW LONG is the crap that he likes? 82 minutes.

nah, I saw The Hallelujah Trail at the New Bev

obv I am talkin the AIP drive-in crap

Death Proof deserves some wry admiration I think for being a movie that just consists of QT’s kinks onscreen for the length of a feature.

Would be cool if some characters show up from Pychon’s Inherent Vice

Mary Harron--first I've heard of this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1759744/

Wouldn't be shocked if it turns out to be the better film.

Dr. Who (Matt Smith) as Manson!?!?

So we have The Haunting of Sharon Tate, Charlie Says and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Apparently, there is also a forthcoming Sharon Tate biopic from Kate Bosworth, though she's indicated it won't be Manson-centric.

50th anniversary etc.

Has there been a young Charles Manson movie yet? There should be. We have to get to the bottom of how Charles Manson became Charles Manson!

Charlie Says at least treats "the girls" as human beings, which is sadly a new angle.

xp: a prequel! yeah, I like the sounds of that.

Charles Before Manson

Charlie Says looks like it has the same kind of empathy for the females as the Jeffrey Melnick book Creepy Crawling.

I'm wondering whether they had to change the title for the UK market, because over here "Charlie Says" can only mean one thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZGCEdv5ngg

Charles Before Manson

It never occurred to me that Charlie Says wasn't a deliberate allusion to the cat.

I thought it referenced "Candy Says."

Charlies says
I've come to hate the piggies...

(xpost) Thought the same. Mary Harron did direct I Shot Andy Warhol.

I keep wanting to say Charlie Says ... Relax!

Charlie Says Don't Surf

I assumed the title comes from the fact that his followers were apt to quote his sayings ad nauseum.

Yet another one--saw a bootleg copy of this today.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMWNjMWMwMmQtYjM5MC00NDE2LWEyM2ItOTY0ZjMxYjY0NWUxXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzY0MTE3NzU@._V1_UX182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg

The premise makes no sense at all. Sharon Tate didn't survive Manson--I don't think I've ever read anywhere that her dreams beforehand were noteworthy.

Poor Hilary Duff...

https://centuriesofsound.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/2017_03_28_08-07-28.png

I saw that film last week, so I could contrast with the new Mary Harron one — it's bad, and not even in a MST3k way. It's really just an excuse to film the murder itself, which they replay about three times, including an "alternate reality" where they manage to kill off the Manson family and escape. Duff spends the whole film wide-eyed and at least once a scene someone has to mention she's pregnant, or she touches her belly. It doesn't even look particularly period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELeMaP8EPAA

New Trailer.

Tarantino/Pitt/Dicaprio interview as well.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a27458589/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-leonardo-dicaprio-brad-pitt-quentin-tarantino-interview/

That's a great roundtable. Suddenly I'm stoked for this picture.

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Yeah, me too. It starts off feeling kinda douchey imo, but they take the conversation to some interesting places. I'm definitely cautiously optimistic.

Early Cannes reactions:

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-first-reactions-quentin-tarantino-1203222562/

Gah, I was not expecting to be excited, since I hated his last two, but ... count me in. Now to go several months spoiler free ...

I remember getting a copy of the Pulp Fiction script months before it came out. I didn't read it, but I did look at one page and saw the word "chainsaw." Then that sucker got given to someone else, post haste.

the con goes on

I guess if you call the marketing a con? Because for all the movies I haven't liked, Tarantino has still made 3 or 4 or 5 or 4.5 I love, which is more good movies than most directors make. And at the least I think he is a good *director*, so I always like *watching* his movies even if I don't like the acting or script or whatever.

It starts off feeling kinda douchey

I thought at first this was referring to the trailer, and I was like, wait, but it ends kinda douchey too

morbs otm

https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/reviews-recommendations/once-upon-time-hollywood-quentin-tarantino-1960s-golden-age-meta-movie-charles-manson-sharon-tate-murders?fbclid=IwAR0u4IXsvkkwQlcqRV6fd1hFV7b28seLm_tODBB-JPqAg_9Ya-V1leU3J9k

this movie is totally going to end with leo killing manson and saving the day, right?

I figure it's gonna be something like that, though I think it's gonna be Sharon Tate that ends up killing Manson somehow. Hopefully Tarentino put a bit of thought into this than I did though.

weird that i feel very much okay with tarantino killing hitler in his wwii revenge picture but very much not okay at the prospect of him 'saving' sharon tate in this one

same

I'm gonna ask my Cannes contact to spoil it for me

They're gonna break into the wrong house and kill DiCaprio and Pitt.

No genuine spoilers on this thread, please.

simon pls inbox me full and detailed spoilers kthxbye

MANSON KILLS DAENERYS & IRON MAN.

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S09E13/335117.jpg?b64lines=IFNPLCBUSEUgQ09QUyBLTkVXIFRIQVQKIElOVEVSTkFMIEFGRkFJUlMgV0FTCiBTRVRUSU5HIFRIRU0gVVA_

Anyway, A.A. Dowd at The AV Club gives it a B+ fwiw

https://film.avclub.com/quentin-tarantino-fights-the-future-in-his-funky-meand-1834944301