Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

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Basterds, Django, and Eight all seem forced to me. excited for this one cause it seems more casual, shooting for a lower bar maybe

In what universe

I haven't rewatched Basterds, so I'm unsure of its specific placing among the lower ranks; Django is the only QT I think is bad.

Death Proof had a lot of weak spots but the car crash sequence that closes the first half is really close to peak Tarantino.

The creep if weak, overly indulgent Tarantino dialogue is all there in Death Proof but the car stuff is so good I can forgive it.

as my friend has observed:

"What kind of movies does Tarantino like?

CRAP.

And that's FINE.

But HOW LONG is the crap that he likes? 82 minutes."

Yeah I mean it’s not an uncommon opinion that things went downhill after his longtime editor passed away.

what crap movies does tarantino like? i mean, jack hill movies are rough around the edges, but i wouldn't say they were crap. and certainly the classic hollywood and asian action films he appreciates aren't crap. or pabst or, heck, doesn't he pretty much like everything? (except john ford, i suppose.) i remember ray carney publishing some idiotic thing in the baffler a million years ago about how tarantino represented a debased culture since he was basing his aesthetic on trash and it was a tiresome argument then. that doesn't mean everything t touches turns to gold, not hardly.

Finding gold in trash is... his thing. He’s not oblivious to or unappreciative of the classics either, obviously. The marriage of high/low is the appeal. I don’t know why this needs to be talked about in 2019 but hey Morbs.

I just want to say that John Ford was an excellent filmmaker

yeah, he wrote a thing for his rep theater's site about how great Ulzana's Raid is (true!) but bashing Ford's Fort Apache.

it's incredible to me how many typos and grammar mistakes are in anything tarantino writes. i guess this has been known for a while. is he dyslexic?

yes

I don't love Tarantino, but I don't completely hate him, either. To me, his films are a bit thin on heavy ideas, and they throw a lot of style at you. But on second thought, I'll bet that like me he's read a lot of the Manson material and felt there was a mystique there, or a lot of nagging questions, when you read all that stuff, you feel unsatisfied (they're all about the gore and the beautiful people who died), and maybe, like the Aquarius thing, getting into the milieu around Manson might give you a more complete sense of what was going on in LA back then. Maybe that's more of what I'm looking for, so I'll def watch it.

The thing I hate about Manson movies is that the dudes never look like Manson, but this one does, and I always find that distracting. The other movies make Manson too Jesus-like.

But HOW LONG is the crap that he likes? 82 minutes.

nah, I saw The Hallelujah Trail at the New Bev

obv I am talkin the AIP drive-in crap

Death Proof deserves some wry admiration I think for being a movie that just consists of QT’s kinks onscreen for the length of a feature.

Would be cool if some characters show up from Pychon’s Inherent Vice

Mary Harron--first I've heard of this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1759744/

Wouldn't be shocked if it turns out to be the better film.

Dr. Who (Matt Smith) as Manson!?!?

So we have The Haunting of Sharon Tate, Charlie Says and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Apparently, there is also a forthcoming Sharon Tate biopic from Kate Bosworth, though she's indicated it won't be Manson-centric.

50th anniversary etc.

Has there been a young Charles Manson movie yet? There should be. We have to get to the bottom of how Charles Manson became Charles Manson!

Charlie Says at least treats "the girls" as human beings, which is sadly a new angle.

xp: a prequel! yeah, I like the sounds of that.

Charles Before Manson

Charlie Says looks like it has the same kind of empathy for the females as the Jeffrey Melnick book Creepy Crawling.

I'm wondering whether they had to change the title for the UK market, because over here "Charlie Says" can only mean one thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZGCEdv5ngg

Charles Before Manson

It never occurred to me that Charlie Says wasn't a deliberate allusion to the cat.

I thought it referenced "Candy Says."

Charlies says
I've come to hate the piggies...

(xpost) Thought the same. Mary Harron did direct I Shot Andy Warhol.

I keep wanting to say Charlie Says ... Relax!

Charlie Says Don't Surf

I assumed the title comes from the fact that his followers were apt to quote his sayings ad nauseum.

Yet another one--saw a bootleg copy of this today.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMWNjMWMwMmQtYjM5MC00NDE2LWEyM2ItOTY0ZjMxYjY0NWUxXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzY0MTE3NzU@._V1_UX182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg

The premise makes no sense at all. Sharon Tate didn't survive Manson--I don't think I've ever read anywhere that her dreams beforehand were noteworthy.

Poor Hilary Duff...

https://centuriesofsound.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/2017_03_28_08-07-28.png

I saw that film last week, so I could contrast with the new Mary Harron one — it's bad, and not even in a MST3k way. It's really just an excuse to film the murder itself, which they replay about three times, including an "alternate reality" where they manage to kill off the Manson family and escape. Duff spends the whole film wide-eyed and at least once a scene someone has to mention she's pregnant, or she touches her belly. It doesn't even look particularly period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELeMaP8EPAA

New Trailer.

Tarantino/Pitt/Dicaprio interview as well.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a27458589/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-leonardo-dicaprio-brad-pitt-quentin-tarantino-interview/

That's a great roundtable. Suddenly I'm stoked for this picture.

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Yeah, me too. It starts off feeling kinda douchey imo, but they take the conversation to some interesting places. I'm definitely cautiously optimistic.

Early Cannes reactions:

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-first-reactions-quentin-tarantino-1203222562/

Gah, I was not expecting to be excited, since I hated his last two, but ... count me in. Now to go several months spoiler free ...

I remember getting a copy of the Pulp Fiction script months before it came out. I didn't read it, but I did look at one page and saw the word "chainsaw." Then that sucker got given to someone else, post haste.

the con goes on

I guess if you call the marketing a con? Because for all the movies I haven't liked, Tarantino has still made 3 or 4 or 5 or 4.5 I love, which is more good movies than most directors make. And at the least I think he is a good *director*, so I always like *watching* his movies even if I don't like the acting or script or whatever.

It starts off feeling kinda douchey

I thought at first this was referring to the trailer, and I was like, wait, but it ends kinda douchey too