"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

That's cheating

Very much currently of this parish, but I think too sensible to read these threads.

xp I did! I went to Downing Street in 1986 on a primary school trip to London. had picture taken with the policeman iirc

might've been early 1987, think we went to York in 1986

seeing early suggestions that the mueller report is also just one long absolute rinsing of t may

Yeah, I did that stroll down Downing Street..

In fact, I was somewhat shocked when I was in the area last year and saw the big heavy railings/fence. How long has that been there, I asked not rhetorically..

Industrial-strength FBPE whinging at Labour canvassing tomorrow and Corbyn having a rally up north - guys, not everyone is able to go to the march. People who can’t afford to come down to London have issues worth listening to and they don’t go away while we have Conservative governments.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/no-chance-of-us-deal-if-brexit-leads-to-hard-border-1.3835621

nice special relationship ye have there

shame if anything were to ...... happen it

I just think about Toby Jones' jowls quivering in Alfredson's Tinker Tailor whenever I hear about the "special relationship"

morelike tory pwns howls amirite

windmill jolyon would do well to reflect on his thread about mandelson & Blair and what that means for who will have to lead a future referendum campaign (if there is to be one) before he tweets things like this

They really, really, really hate Remainers. https://t.co/XSpL3mBcXu

— Jo Maugham QC (@JolyonMaugham) March 22, 2019

It is the height of current affairs narcissism to think that a Tweet calling for Labour canvassing today is a form of gaslighting Remainers.

bloody hell, Revoke A50 about to hit the big 4 in the next half hour.

overtaking spurs no fucking doubt

A man made of pure cognitive dissonance.

Jolyon Maugham QC: If we are honest with ourselves, we know that the people’s vote campaign has been anti Corbyn and this has been counter productive to their interests.

Windmill Jo, bants machine: dEspItE tHE emERGencE oF pOllIng WhiCh ShOws laBouR aRe gEttInG VotEr PuShBacK oN tHeIR sUppOrT foR a PubLiC VoTe...i CaN oNlY conCluDe jEmErY CroyBn hAtES ReMaInErS

"When Eden lost his marbles during the Suez Crisis he wasn't allowed to do too much damage, this lunatic is running rampant in comparison."

The "weak + unwell" pm being goaded into insanity by tory lunatic fringe is looking much like the current malaise. I noticed when Eden was about make a profoundly embarrassing speech comparing Nasser to Hitler (May's risible "people's champion" speech t'other night), the moderates gagged him for the good of the gov/party.

In what one colleague described as a highly emotional state, Maynard, who voted Leave, informed the PM in no uncertain terms that her Brexit strategy was doomed. She risked not only failing to deliver on the result of the referendum, but also destroying the Conservative party, Maynard said, according to two sources in the room.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/cabinet-ministers-are-plotting-to-oust-theresa-may-as-her

there may be hope for her legacy yet

the truth is she can't go because she's the one thing that's holding the lid on the box marked "conservative party animal spirits"

Knowing the consequences of what they were about to do, before the meeting they agreed: “What happens in the whips office stays in the whips office.”

How'd that work out?

I’m in London atm and half the people on my bus just got off to attend the march - parents with kids and old people as well. Saw a couple of older people go by with signs saying TUNBRIDGE WELLS AGAINST BREXIT.

Just passed a grotesque four headed effigy of May, Johnson Gove and Davis which said something about them burning in hell. Pure nightmare fuel, I hope a good pic of it turns up somewhere.

In Blackheath there was a couple on the bus next to me bragging to a poor middle-aged Hispanic woman about how they were going to the protest. And the cute thing was - their rucksack had its own seat, the front seat

Honestly I was in Victoria and it was full of protestors getting off the trains & anyone who reads these threads knows I hate fbpers but these were just normal people? I felt a bit emotional walking through them, tbh.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2V2baVXcAE-BNc.jpg

trenchant!

That’s not the one I saw but looks like the same artist/creator?

right then who has gone to the march?

just being nosy, a very English trait

Not adding names to your list, oh no

haha see I knew someone would say that but I only keep lists of books I want to read.

I'm out in the quiet greenbelt where the only noise is birdsong and a distant tractor. And thankfully there are very few people and extra thankfully there is zero noisy flag waving vulgaris in the area!

I was going to say, fbpe are normal people, but on the other hand, I've just walked through Clissold Park in Stoke Newington, and it is D-E-D dead.

Ok, finally signed after seeing the originator has had death threats. Above all, it'll be sweet to cancel the Cunts Christmas brexit represents

Xp Lol poor takings in the church street tat shops this afternoon i'd wager

i would like to be with you calz. i am in central london. but while i totally support people frustrated and angered by the brexit process, i find it incredibly hard to quell anger at some of the alignments it has brought with it:

* that the period of politics prior to brexit is what we need to get back to
* that corbyn is somehow the main problem
* that brexit is more important than a programme to look redistribution of wealth especially regionally with the consequence that
* brexit is somehow more important than getting rid of the tories
* that tory “moderates” have in any way helped or done a single thing to impede brexit and haven’t generally contributed to the last decade of austerity.
* that in some way the people who voted for brexit are ignorable based on two assumptions - that they were deceived, or that people would no longer vote for brexit. i think the second of those is somewhat legitimate but only as a shift in emphasis - a large number of people would vote for brexit again. (in fact my belief is that generally people understood quite well what impact they wanted to have when they voted for brexit even if the vision of what that looked like wasn’t clear - understood better than politicians who would seek to reverse it)

i know plenty of people who will be on the march, i know they won’t (mostly) subscribe to all of those, and i support them, but as i say i find it really difficult to align with it, and found myself simmering a bit as i walked the streets.

that said i also endorse popular protest. perhaps it’s just that i struggle with marches a bit.

Booming post fizzles

I’m not going near the March but I did go to the launch of this last night: https://citizensofeverywhere.beer and talked to some nice people who are

I don’t begrudge them it really but it can be hard not to get annoyed by the aspects you mention. I saw someone on a friend’s Facebook talking about needing a time machine to get back to the prelapsarian utopia of... 2015 and it’s like what the fuck is wrong with you

Great posts wins and fizzles

Roger that

not actually sure how booming it is! as I say, registering with your presence your opposition to the total clusterfuck that this has been from soup to nuts, even though you may not share what the person next to you thinks, is I think not just justifiable but laudable. people on streets do matter, as do large-scale expressions of opinion such as the petition, even if you don't like them very much or feel they won't have much impact. i don't really have a lot of time for the cynicism that says they don't, or that they don't have meaning or implications outside of their ability to get anything done.

sorry, I'm flip-flopping a bit, but I really took against the people's vote campaign, which clearly has a strong presence at this march, but which I felt was basically tory enabling in a lot of its expression, and I'm having to fight that emotional cynicism down to try and get a bit more level-headed!

I’ve spent the morning running along south coast clifftops and all the wheatears have returned for the spring and they’re flitting between fence line and gorse bush and don’t these cunts know they’re not welcome anymore?

Sorry am in pub and possibly possessed by the ghost of bill oddie

that sounds delightful.

pub and southcoast clifftops both.

i think i'm going to back into Gerard Manley Hopkins' Journals to get as close to the calz and NickB Saturday morning as I can, as my heart is beating dangerously fast after thinking about both-sides-ism and horseshoe politics types.

Yeah, I don't stand for any of that and nor do the vast vast majority of the people on the march.

In fairness it really is people who didn't vote to leave who have been very significantly ignored for two years, of course.

i get the impression there’s a fair bit of corbyn dislike at “enabling” brexit among the crowd, andrew.

I'd imagine the opinion of Corbyn amongst the marchers, as with the labour party, is divided.