i'd have thought it's an extrapolation of eye-rolling that cynical people do and it's about those kinds of people never really being present therefore the lived experience is always being turned around and made a version of itself for future consumption. it's also about being isolated and having to be yourself and the other you imagine being seen through the eyes of.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 22 March 2019 12:18 (five years ago) link
xp yeah me too, took me a while to get on board with them and all the lol sex wisecracks
― kinder, Friday, 22 March 2019 12:22 (five years ago) link
I assumed the audience asides come straight from the stage show
― Number None, Friday, 22 March 2019 12:56 (five years ago) link
They do and it's a more theatrical gesture than a televisual one since the audience is right there. Doing it on a TV show isn't that unusual but thinking but the shift makes it interesting, it goes from being you to ...who?
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 22 March 2019 13:06 (five years ago) link
this is the best tv show of all time
― flopson, Friday, 22 March 2019 21:36 (five years ago) link
I personally find the priest character a difficult to believe but have enough faith in FWB to think that he's supposed to be - or that he's not supposed to be but we'll find out later why is like he is and i'll suddenly believe in him.
On the other hand, Killing Eve was not believable, to me, in any way really (I saw two episodes). I do not want to be condescending, and apologies if it sounds so BUT I wonder If Martin McDonagh put her up to writing a serial killer thing which does not seem to be her register at all, based on the episodes I forced myself to finish.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 00:08 (five years ago) link
People either loved or hated that, I know. the standard crit that it was "all over the place" is what I felt about it. So many things seemed like they were supposed to be funny but were not at all, for me.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 00:11 (five years ago) link
I love the asides and the extremity of it all
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 23 March 2019 01:53 (five years ago) link
I don't think Killing Eve was supposed to be "believable." I liked it for its stylishness, seductiveness and acting.
― Yerac, Saturday, 23 March 2019 02:13 (five years ago) link
what's an unbelievable serial killer drama other than that, though?
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 03:48 (five years ago) link
I mean, what is it other than unbelievable? Reckless, gratuitous, pointless, dangerous? Ah, right, entertaining.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:25 (five years ago) link
also, stylish, which it wasn't.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:42 (five years ago) link
Sorry, I know I'm talking to myself here but and no offence is intended to anyone that liked it but... what's the intention in making a TV show about a female serial killer (which there are a notably small number of) and making it (allegedly) stylish and funny? FWB is a good writer but she had just started going out with a man that makes notably misjudged, but highly praised, serial killing/revenge "comedies" when she came out with KE.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:52 (five years ago) link
a lot of notably's there.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:56 (five years ago) link
Ugh, no, not the ‘woman takes on new partner’s interests by osmosis’ thing and BTW although she likes her job, Villanelle is better described as a contract killer.
― suzy, Saturday, 23 March 2019 06:41 (five years ago) link
how much were the books written in that tone? I haven't read them but got the impression they were 'irreverent' or what have you
― kinder, Saturday, 23 March 2019 07:57 (five years ago) link
No idea, but it’s worth remembering that until very recently, Luke Jennings was the Guardian’s very underemployed dance critic.
― suzy, Saturday, 23 March 2019 08:02 (five years ago) link
ug myself a bit of a hole there. ignore those posts, i was steaming.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:44 (five years ago) link
dug
ohhh, I didn't know who she was dating. something new to look up.
― Yerac, Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:49 (five years ago) link
although i've seen plenty of people in the performance writing/creating world partner off and whose work gets suddenly bad because both sides of the partnership start to agree with each other too much and privately clearly do so much more. that's what i was trying to get at, i think, but it's midsjudged up there. apologies.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:50 (five years ago) link
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i loved Killing Eve but actually just popped in here to say how wonderful this series of Fleabag is. It’s touching and funny and really really smart.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 23 March 2019 19:52 (five years ago) link
and the performances and script are better than ever.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 23 March 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link
I'm rewatching s1 - the idea that she's talking to Boo is tempting but doesn't actually make much sense. In the pilot she introduces us to a bunch of characters Boo would already have known.
― Simon H., Sunday, 24 March 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link
what's the intention in making a TV show about a female serial killer (which there are a notably small number of) and making it (allegedly) stylish and funny
whatever the intention, it might as well be ascribed to Sally Woodward Gentle, who optioned the books and commissioned PWB to develop the adaptation. She's certainly gone for "stylish and funny" aproaches to serious and murdery material in the past.
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Sunday, 24 March 2019 23:16 (five years ago) link
I'm ashamed enough about those posts!
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Sunday, 24 March 2019 23:46 (five years ago) link
<3
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 25 March 2019 01:00 (five years ago) link
fwiw, Villanelle seemed styled rather than stylish. the pink puffy dress etc. is just a costume designer's project that would have been reigned in by a competent director.
again, saw 2 episodes so that might be bollocks.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 25 March 2019 01:06 (five years ago) link
but with regard to the theatre/tv binary discussed upthread, costuming of that sort the kind of thing you can do in the theatre.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 25 March 2019 01:09 (five years ago) link
or in a Peter Greenaway film.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 25 March 2019 01:10 (five years ago) link
I've just caught up and this season is tremendous imo
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:57 (five years ago) link
Anyone still complaining about her poshness can STFU, tonight’s was INCREDIBLE.
― suzy, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:12 (five years ago) link
When I heard they were making a second season I didn't think it was a good idea. The first season seemed like such a neat open-and-shut story that it would be a mistake to try to follow it up. I no longer understand why I thought that.
― JRN, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:46 (five years ago) link
I feel like I could easily watch a hundred episodes tbh
― Simon H., Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:55 (five years ago) link
i'm not sure i could take a hundred episodes of that. you tune in expecting 30 minutes of quirky comedy and then she does her little monologue...
― koogs, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 09:43 (five years ago) link
she's too good for this creepy priest! it can't possibly end well, I just wanted her to get out.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 09:48 (five years ago) link
^
― Fizzles, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 09:52 (five years ago) link
I was so disappointed in the priest at the end. I know I should have seen it coming, but fuck off
― stet, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 09:59 (five years ago) link
oh i haven’t seen the latest ep yet. will stay off thread. but yes he was clearly creepy.
― Fizzles, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 10:01 (five years ago) link
I was just relieved it wasn't worse, tbh.
― trishyb, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 10:12 (five years ago) link
YOU HAD 1 JOB
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 10:15 (five years ago) link
If that’s creepy, I want more creepiness in my life.
― Luna Schlosser, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:08 (five years ago) link
kneel
― ogmor, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:52 (five years ago) link
just started watching this. 3 eps in. enjoying it. i think i've spotted a plot point - she is the one who had sex with her friend's boyfriend, that provoked the suicide/manslaughter incident
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 16:06 (five years ago) link
Yeah that was covered in series one. I can't remember if he was Boo's boyfriend or just a guy she fancied
― paolo, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:25 (five years ago) link
My feelings exactly
― paolo, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:26 (five years ago) link
Anyone else think that this series is more of a drama than a comedy?
― paolo, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:27 (five years ago) link
iirc S1 took a real turn around ep 4 where it was clear that it was aiming to be more ambitious than "just" a comedy. this season that ambition feels baked in from the beginning.
Just remembering the moment in the first ep of this season around the restaurant table where literally no one in her family had realised that Claire isn't a lawyer
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:22 (five years ago) link
i agree and i don't care. the first series was great, and this is even sharper.
― my future think tank (stevie), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link
Haha, yes.
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 October 2019 21:27 (four years ago) link
Agreed, especially regarding her sister and their relationship (also lol the whole haircut issue !).
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 09:43 (four years ago) link
Finished season two yesterday. It's really amazing, but also quite complex and bittersweet. I loved Martin's big speech as an example of everything you shouldn't say, all 'it's not my fault! I can't help it! you just have to deal with me!' I still haven't really figured out what I thought of the very end, but it seemed to me that both fleabag and hot alcoholic priest decided to keep on working on themselves.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link
there is exactly one completely horrible person in the series and it's Martin
― mh, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:06 (four years ago) link
He was too awful to my taste, at times it really made Claire seem bad as well. He was being so awful to her sister!
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:07 (four years ago) link
Godmother is giving him some serious competition there IMO
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:08 (four years ago) link
most definitely
― mh, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link
she's at least consciously and sometimes maliciously bad, and Martin is just a flailing douchebag
― mh, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
Also, the way Gelman delivered that speech was so unexpectedly great; this blubbering pile of terrified vulnerability that still manages to be completely unbearable while being self-aware about how unbearable he is. When I was watching it, I had a very strong "I identify with and wholly reject this" reaction.
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
Otm. I completely get the feeling. Why does my girlfriend keep getting annoyed that I never do anything I promise her that I'll do, I'm bad at remembering stuff, it's not my fault, she should write it down to me, including specific instructions, it's not my fault!
It's kinda male privilege in the extreme. Or in another way, he's at step one of the twelve step program, and has just decided it's easier to stop there.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link
I think I'd feel horrible rewatching just for that monologue, but now that you mention it, it's really is *chef kiss* bad
― mh, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
I kept wondering if the part was written with Gelman in mind. I can't imagine anyone else in the role.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:32 (four years ago) link
Yeah, he really goes for that energy. I kinda hated him in Lemon, though.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
His greatest work remains 1,000 Cats.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:36 (four years ago) link
as per colbert interview, apparently gelman's agent was directly contacted by Amazon's casting people for the part and flew out to the UK the next day for filming.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
anyways, my gelman love is always based around his work in Eagleheart which should've gotten him an honorary Tony and/or Pulitzer
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
Gelman is so good at being an asshole I kind of just assume he is one.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:52 (four years ago) link
i totally just misremembered The Walking Dead and thought Gelman also played Gregory. Totally different actor.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link
I’m rarely shocked by anything on a show but when Fleabag shoved her godmother back against the wall in s1 ep5 it was really something. Not even a satisfying moment and just this really raw and believable thing. It also set up the moment of her punching Martin at dinner, since by now it was very much in character, and much later in terms of general show tone made the moment where Martin grabs her by the (cashmere) sweater in an aggressive threatening moment genuinely frightening.
― omar little, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 21:35 (four years ago) link
Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:
ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31
If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 31 January 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link