"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

but "indicative votes" aren't enough at the stage are they? EU needs a signed WA or a long extension so that something of actual significance can break the logjam (and no, i don't think jeremy hunt becoming PM qualifies)

May really has to be forced out for anything that's not Her Deal or No Deal to happen. It's like a personality disorder at this point. Following that, you're right, it's not at all clear exactly what any leader of that party could do either. Which means either elections or working with Labour. Which amount to the same thing, because the only Tory leader who could work with Labour is the unchallengeable May, and she won't.

All of which means we need some serious time, and that means we need to hold MEP elections. Which is probably why May tried to extend until June to take that chance off the table, and why the EU will likely let us extend only until April 11 unless we hold them.

But the problem there is that if May refuses to go until her 14 days are up, we won't have a new PM in place in time to order those elections. Unless parliament can force the issue. Fucking hell.

Y/N carried out in a straitjacket?

john bercow now eyeing some useful parliamentary precedents from the 1640s iirc

Telegraph reporting Gove is likely to be the 'unity' candidate after May's toppling so it could be a frying pan/fire scenario

another bloody sweaty sock in 10 downing street?

maybe corbyn should stick around tbh, he'd probably have any of these halflings

gove has long been the telegraph choice and it doesn't really do "reporting" any more

just what we need - someone whose guiding motto is "move fast and break things"

Britain, you must keep Sarah Vine the Hell out of Downing Street.

that michael gove premiership in full

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oHfzDFoVDvk/UEYRaaaY5EI/AAAAAAAAF9M/afSgSxxnk_0/s1600/Stephen-Collins-17-March--001.jpg

john bercow now eyeing some useful parliamentary precedents from the 1640s iirc

― mark s, Friday, 22 March 2019 8:59 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I’ve been for a new rump all along.

xp immediately thought of the last panel of that tbh

Unless there's enough co-ordination in the other wing to pack the two top spots in the first round, it'll surely be a Euroskeptic leader after this.

IE not Gove, after he spoke at length in favour of the Working Agreement

dril subtweeting this thread:

me and a bunch of stupid assholes are going to start a community in the middle of the desert to either die or prove a very important point

— wint (@dril) February 17, 2014

Not if Boris gets enough support to get int the last round. The Anybody But Boris vite must be pretty strong.

I’d say that he’s got no chance of getting into the final round or to be PM but who the hell knows any more.

Yeah, but the first round is MPs, who hate him - if he gets into the second round, it's the members, and he'll be through.

Also this bit is genius by the EU. They stop May waiting until 11 April to do MV3.

They have crafted an offer that’s reasonable and May can’t obviously refuse, but has the UK just where the EU wants it.@WeyandSabine & co, I salute you! 👏 https://t.co/lQQ3IZHi49

— Jon Worth (@jonworth) March 21, 2019

Have to say pairing socks for much of the last hour has been a better use of time than watching the latest shitshow. Good that there’s a bit more time to vonc/push for revoke/long extension etc. How many more podium speeches will May do before the 11th?

you must have more socks than whiney

lol at this petition

Bat eating a grape pic.twitter.com/gLYYNTQULr

— 41 Strange (@41Strange) March 21, 2019

Idk how many he has but we have a lot in this house.

Comrade alphabet is laughing but I bet he has a huge Wilson Wilson style setup!

Almost endearing how she opens her conference talking about the backstop as if her deal is still a Thing

Didn’t the EU tell her pretty firmly to stop fucking around with the backstop?

Final question: Tusk said there was a special place in hell for those people who promoted Brexit without having “even a sketch of a plan” for how to deliver it. He and Juncker are asked whether, should British MPs refuse to vote through May’s deal, more room be should made?

Tusk responds: “According to our poll, hell is still empty and it means there are a lot of spaces.”

Juncker adds: “Don’t go to hell.”

Comrade alphabet is laughing but I bet he has a huge Wilson Wilson style setup!

― gyac, Friday, 22 March 2019 10:05 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He’s prepping by testing lampposts for strength.

Have you signed the petition Ed?

Geezer from The Sun "are we gunna leave the EU or wot, Prime Minister? Fackin ell get on wiv it"

Of course. I also ordered a case of wine in solidarity.

He’s making a list,
He’s checking it twice,
He’s rooting out fascists
And the odd lib’ll suffice

see you all back here on 11 april then

Don’t lie to yourself, you’ll be on here tomorrow before I’m even fully conscious.

We've got poetry and wine on this thread its an improvement from bog roll.

it's a superstructure-base thing

Genuine confused foreigner question here: does this petition have any legal force? Surprised how low the numbers are, actually--in Australia, with 1/3 the UK population, we have a fuckwit Senator who is a Nazi and a petition to have him ejected from parliament got over 1 million signatories in less than 1 day, not that it will achieve anything.

I spent this evening talking to someone who works in the Commons and he thinks it's perfectly plausible for Parliament to vote in favour of some form of sensible outcome and for May to just refuse to sign off on it because it isn't her plan, and we end up with no deal by default. He has worked in the house for years and absolutely believes she is determined/stubborn/sociopathic enough to do that.

So yes, I'm still 80% sure this is brinkmanship but the absolutely terrified ratio has gone up.

No legal force. Parliament agrees to respond to any petition with 100k signatures. That's it.

2M in a day isn't bad consideration we're all fatigued, depressed and waiting for the food and medicine to expire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Parliament_petitions_website

Considering

See?

10,000 gets a response from government, 100,000 get 'considered for debate', though that's a formality, I understand? And there's been other petitions to revoke before, so they may just say "we already looked at this"

“She didn’t even give clarity if she is organising a vote,” said one aide to a leader. “Asked three times what she would do if she lost the vote, she couldn’t say. It was awful. Dreadful. Evasive even by her standards.”

When leaders asked May what she was going to do if her deal was voted down, an official added that the prime minister replied that she was following her plan A of getting it through.

It was then that the EU decided that “she didn’t have a plan so they needed to come up with one for her”, the source added.

ouch

I can see her refusing to execute too. And then we are fucked, because by then it will be too late to forcibly remove and replace her before the deadline of April 11th.

We would be in the territory of an 11th hour order to revoke, which legal Twitter is fighting over the specifics of now but there seems to be a decent consensus that if parliament passed the order that would be good enough under the EU's requirements, even if May didn't actually sign a letter to that effect.

So much has to change when if we get out of this clusterfuck, and the FTPA has to be right up there.

Friday’s Daily TELEGRAPH: “Clock runs down on May as Tories tell her time’s up” #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/cmjSnkbcbX

— Allie Hodgkins-Brown (@AllieHBNews) March 21, 2019

I would be very surprised if MPs aren’t plotting to get rid of her. That speech really pissed off a lot of them and a labour mp tweeted that he was threatened in person today.

They need to start doing so basically tomorrow or Monday latest if so, and I don't think we are there yet

That was a much better QT than usual, by which I mean that it was possible to watch it without getting totally mortified and changing the channel.

have replaced it by being mortified by Tracer's post there.

what was that from, Tracer?

The Guardian liveblog is where I saw it.