Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

I'm guessing Tarantino has been quite content to let the Manson hand-wringing proceed a pace.

nah I think he can do it, Roman Polanski is gonna machine-gun Charlie to death and be carried shoulder-high down Hollywood Boulevard

i think it’ll be dope

cannot WAIT for Lena Dunham as a gypsy

I believe she is playing a Mansonite named Gypsy?

There wasn't even a "Hollywood" by 1969.

huh?

Hollywood in the '30s/'40s sense of the word--primarily the studio system--was gone almost two decades by 1969.

Isn’t that exactly what sic’s quotes are saying?

a story that takes place in Los Angeles in 1969, at the height of hippy Hollywood. The two lead characters are Rick Dalton, former star of a western TV series, and his longtime stunt double Cliff Booth. Both are struggling to make it in a Hollywood they don’t recognize anymore.

More like HollyWEIRD, amirite?

Hollywood in the '30s/'40s sense of the word--primarily the studio system--was gone almost two decades by 1969.

― clemenza, Friday, March 22, 2019 6:52 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

strictly speaking there was never a singular "hollywood" identical to the motion picture industry, b/c studio facilities and offices were spread out across urban los angeles (as they are today). "hollywood" was always a casual bit of synecdoche.

in other words, 1969 is different to 1939, no doubt. 2019 is different to 1969, as well. and yet people have used the term "hollywood" as a synonym for the U.S. film (and, by the '50s at the latest, TV) industry since the 1910s and through to the present, with minimal misunderstanding. tarantino's movie takes place w/in the industry. so what exactly is the problem?

a burbank they don't recognize anymore

Keep Hollyweird weird

"once upon a time in century city"

Can’t wait for this. Damn, it’s even made me want to watch death proof for gosh sake

Death Proof is good if you like either car chases or Tarantino hang-out dialogue (nb: haven't seen the extended DVD version, saw Grindhouse in 2007 and 2017). better than Django, maybe better than Inglorious.

The sign said HOLLYWOODLAND until 1949, i'm not sure i realised it was so recently that they changed it.

The sign was at its most dilapidated in the late 70s;

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Hullywod-Sign.jpg

I'll watch a couple movies made in Hollyweird in 1969 while youse guys are at this

not a good year tbh.

they shoot horses, don't they?

In what universe is Death Proof better than IB or even Django ferchristsake?

I'll take Death Proof over Django any day

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Basterds, Django, and Eight all seem forced to me. excited for this one cause it seems more casual, shooting for a lower bar maybe

In what universe

I haven't rewatched Basterds, so I'm unsure of its specific placing among the lower ranks; Django is the only QT I think is bad.

Death Proof had a lot of weak spots but the car crash sequence that closes the first half is really close to peak Tarantino.

The creep if weak, overly indulgent Tarantino dialogue is all there in Death Proof but the car stuff is so good I can forgive it.

as my friend has observed:

"What kind of movies does Tarantino like?

CRAP.

And that's FINE.

But HOW LONG is the crap that he likes? 82 minutes."

Yeah I mean it’s not an uncommon opinion that things went downhill after his longtime editor passed away.

what crap movies does tarantino like? i mean, jack hill movies are rough around the edges, but i wouldn't say they were crap. and certainly the classic hollywood and asian action films he appreciates aren't crap. or pabst or, heck, doesn't he pretty much like everything? (except john ford, i suppose.) i remember ray carney publishing some idiotic thing in the baffler a million years ago about how tarantino represented a debased culture since he was basing his aesthetic on trash and it was a tiresome argument then. that doesn't mean everything t touches turns to gold, not hardly.

Finding gold in trash is... his thing. He’s not oblivious to or unappreciative of the classics either, obviously. The marriage of high/low is the appeal. I don’t know why this needs to be talked about in 2019 but hey Morbs.

I just want to say that John Ford was an excellent filmmaker

yeah, he wrote a thing for his rep theater's site about how great Ulzana's Raid is (true!) but bashing Ford's Fort Apache.

it's incredible to me how many typos and grammar mistakes are in anything tarantino writes. i guess this has been known for a while. is he dyslexic?

yes

I don't love Tarantino, but I don't completely hate him, either. To me, his films are a bit thin on heavy ideas, and they throw a lot of style at you. But on second thought, I'll bet that like me he's read a lot of the Manson material and felt there was a mystique there, or a lot of nagging questions, when you read all that stuff, you feel unsatisfied (they're all about the gore and the beautiful people who died), and maybe, like the Aquarius thing, getting into the milieu around Manson might give you a more complete sense of what was going on in LA back then. Maybe that's more of what I'm looking for, so I'll def watch it.

The thing I hate about Manson movies is that the dudes never look like Manson, but this one does, and I always find that distracting. The other movies make Manson too Jesus-like.

But HOW LONG is the crap that he likes? 82 minutes.

nah, I saw The Hallelujah Trail at the New Bev

obv I am talkin the AIP drive-in crap

Death Proof deserves some wry admiration I think for being a movie that just consists of QT’s kinks onscreen for the length of a feature.

Would be cool if some characters show up from Pychon’s Inherent Vice

Mary Harron--first I've heard of this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1759744/

Wouldn't be shocked if it turns out to be the better film.

Dr. Who (Matt Smith) as Manson!?!?

So we have The Haunting of Sharon Tate, Charlie Says and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Apparently, there is also a forthcoming Sharon Tate biopic from Kate Bosworth, though she's indicated it won't be Manson-centric.

50th anniversary etc.

Has there been a young Charles Manson movie yet? There should be. We have to get to the bottom of how Charles Manson became Charles Manson!

Charlie Says at least treats "the girls" as human beings, which is sadly a new angle.

xp: a prequel! yeah, I like the sounds of that.

Charles Before Manson

Charlie Says looks like it has the same kind of empathy for the females as the Jeffrey Melnick book Creepy Crawling.

I'm wondering whether they had to change the title for the UK market, because over here "Charlie Says" can only mean one thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZGCEdv5ngg

Charles Before Manson