Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

I'm in.

Incredible cast listing. My fave credit:

Nicholas Hammond as Sam Wanamaker

Why is Sam Wanamaker in it?

Luke Perry plays Wayne Maunder, the real-life star of the Western TV shows Custer and Lancer.

Nicholas Hammond plays Sam Wanamaker, the actor and director. Wanamaker mostly worked in the UK having fled America during the McCarthy hearings. But his occasional forays back to the US included directing Maunder in Custer.

xp Yeah. I wonder if this is going to be like that ep of Mad Men where there's this creepy vibe and a strAnge guy but no one says who it is.

Not going to happen, but would love it if Roger Sterling or Don Draper or more realistically Megan Draper featured in this.

We need Harry Crane carousing w/a hooker somewhere in the background.

Dakota Fanning ... Squeaky Fromme

what a time to be alive?

a lot of children of hollywood in this film:

Harley Quinn Smith
Margaret Qualley
Rumer Willis
Maya Hawke

probably some more. i suppose this is what you call "meta" casting (although i guess casting always is)

also, this is most millennial name ever:

Hayley Malia Johnson

There's also someone named "Parker Love Bowling" in this, but that's more weird sounding than millennial.

a plurality of current hollywood stars under 30 or so are, in one way or another, legacy cases

Weird trailer--didn't know what to make of the end of it. If a trailer leaves you puzzled, that's a good thing.

keep reading this thread title as

"Quentin Tarantino murders Manson movie"

Damon Herriman (born 31 March 1970) is an Australian actor known for his film and television work in Australia and the United States. He is perhaps best known for his portrayal of Dewey Crowe in Justified. He will portray Charles Manson in both the Netflix series Mindhunter and the Quentin Tarantino film Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (both 2019).

franchise crossover!

shades of out of sight/jackie brown

He doesn't look like him so God knows what's going on there.

I agree clemenza, it's a shit trailer, his teaser trailers used to be great, this is practically an outtakes roll. it doesn't even work as a vague/mood piece teaser. Whatever there's probably going to be 70 of them

He could release the whole film as trailers!

this will be up-Quentin's-asshole shit

The trailer makes it look very boring, visually - like its promoting the wardrobe instead of the film. Makes it seem like it'll be yet another 2010s movie that just looks like an expensive TV show.

this will be up-Quentin's-asshole shit

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:50 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's almost guaranteed!

For what it's worth, I said the trailer was weird, not terrible--it wasn't what I expected...I don't even know what I expected. It seems to be less about Manson than I maybe thought. And I didn't get the final thing where the girl whispers to DiCaprio that he's a great actor, and DiCaprio starts crying. So it left me a little puzzled, and that's better than a trailer that spells out the film from start to finish.

idk i think it looks fun

http://phildellio.tripod.com/tarantino.jpg

Charlie looks very friendly.

I'm not getting interested in this until I find out if it's shorter than 2:30.

Quentin up his own ass mining for Hollywood / hippie shit in 1969 >>>>>>>>>>> Quentin up his own ass mining for Westerns

xp I would put $100 on this being at least 150 min.

shades of out of sight/jackie brown

He's crying at the end because he's a conceited actor

I agree that it's nice for once to have a trailer that doesn't reveal the whole plot and best jokes/moments and instead leaves you wondering what the thing is even about.

Maybe those are the best jokes/moments?

ahah touché !

Not that there were any jokes I could spot.

That's the point !
Anyway, for all the Manson talks, I get the impression it's mostly a movie about... making movies ?

regarding his latest movies, I really enjoyed Death Proof, liked some moments in IB and Django was OK.
I haven't bothered watching The Hateful Eight...
Overall, at this point, I think my favourite movies of his are Jacky Brown and Death Proof.

He's crying at the end because he's a conceited actor

I thought it might be that he's a stuntman who's overcome by someone taking him seriously, even if it looks to be by a 10-year-old.

Anyway, for all the Manson talks, I get the impression it's mostly a movie about...making movies?

Same impression.

Brad is the stuntman, Leo is the actor

Oops. Not so puzzling anymore.

I really liked Death Proof at the time. Besides jibing (again at the time) with my appreciation for boring for boring's sake, it contains one of my favorite visual jokes, when this hard-boiled gritty '70s pastiche spills over into the contemporary world, and this grimy muscle car chase starts sharing the road with mundane minivans. Don't know if it was intentional, but I could have sworn the movie itself also shifts from affectations like fake film artifacts to something clearer and more pristine, too, but tbh I just saw it once.

IB, I pretty much like all the parts that don't involve Brad Pitt and his titular rag-tag crew. I also appreciate the cathartic audacity of its conclusion.

Django and Hateful Eight I thought were indulgent and offensive and stupid and lazy.

Yeah, this seems to me to be less "a Manson Murders movie" and more "a Hollywood 1969 movie which happens to include the Family." I wonder if Tarantino has read this book, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family -- it's a kind of anti-Joan Didion look at not just Manson, but out how the counterculture generally, and the Family specifically, easily insinuated itself into the movie and music industries in the late 60s, and how quickly everyone shut the gates and stopped "slumming" after the murders. (Terry Melcher, e.g., was a *lot* more involved with the Family then he let on later, and at one point was interested in having Sandra Good move into his house and act as an, um, "domestic servant" to him and Candace Bergen.)

Kind of surprised Dennis Wilson isn't popping up in this actually

I suspect there's no way his estate would let them use his name, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a Wilson-like character show up.

Or Papa John Phillips, the Wolf King of LA.

eheh I have just realized Brad Pitt in this is basically... Jacques Dutronc (french singer for those who are not familiar) !

https://resize-parismatch.ladmedia.fr/img/var/news/storage/images/paris-match/culture/cinema/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-premiere-photo-de-dicaprio-et-brad-pitt-dans-le-nouveau-tarantino-1548710/25196318-1-fre-FR/Once-Upon-a-Time-in-Hollywood-premiere-photo-de-DiCaprio-et-Brad-Pitt-dans-le-nouveau-Tarantino.jpg

https://static1.puretrend.com/articles/1/11/29/21/@/1309118-jacques-dutronc-en-compagnie-de-la-580x0-2.jpg

I wonder if Tarantino has read this book, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family

Jeffrey Melnick's book--read it over the summer.

What the heck is this movie even about? It looks fun, but I'm worried it will deal with the Manson story in a weird and superficial way.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, March 21, 2019 4:55 AM (yesterday)

Can he actually do this story justice or is it going to just be a bunch of wish fulfillment nonsense?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, March 21, 2019 5:00 AM (yesterday)

Are there any indications that this is "about" the Manson murders, rather than adjacent?

― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, March 21, 2019 5:17 AM (yesterday)

It seems to be less about Manson than I maybe thought. And I didn't get the final thing where the girl whispers to DiCaprio that he's a great actor, and DiCaprio starts crying. So it left me a little puzzled, and that's better than a trailer that spells out the film from start to finish.

― clemenza, Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:47 AM (yesterday)

Anyway, for all the Manson talks, I get the impression it's mostly a movie about... making movies ?

― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, March 21, 2019 9:23 PM (yesterday)

Yeah, this seems to me to be less "a Manson Murders movie" and more "a Hollywood 1969 movie which happens to include the Family." I wonder if Tarantino has read this book, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family -- it's a kind of anti-Joan Didion look at not just Manson, but out how the counterculture generally, and the Family specifically, easily insinuated itself into the movie and music industries in the late 60s, and how quickly everyone shut the gates and stopped "slumming" after the murders. (Terry Melcher, e.g., was a *lot* more involved with the Family then he let on later, and at one point was interested in having Sandra Good move into his house and act as an, um, "domestic servant" to him and Candace Bergen.)

― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:16 PM (yesterday)

As far as I can tell, the entirety of Tarantino's public statements are:

in November 2017, on the then-untitled film: “It’s not Charles Manson, it’s 1969." cautioned Quentin Tarantino

February 2018 press release announcing title Once Upon A Time In Hollywood: Tarantino describes it as “a story that takes place in Los Angeles in 1969, at the height of hippy Hollywood. The two lead characters are Rick Dalton, former star of a western TV series, and his longtime stunt double Cliff Booth. Both are struggling to make it in a Hollywood they don’t recognize anymore. But Rick has a very famous next-door neighbor…Sharon Tate.”

“I’ve been working on this script for five years, as well as living in Los Angeles County most of my life, including in 1969, when I was seven years old. I’m very excited to tell this story of an LA and a Hollywood that don’t exist anymore. And I couldn’t be happier about the dynamic teaming of DiCaprio & Pitt as Rick & Cliff.”

Tarantino in April 2018: the film is set in LA at the height of the counterculture revolution and of New Hollywood; there are two leads and everyone else are interweaving characters somewhat in the style of Pulp Fiction.

can we retire this "hmm how will he handle this deep biographical examination of the Manson Family??!" handwringing itt?

tbf this thread kicked off w/ an article titled "Quentin Tarantino Prepping New Movie Tackling Manson Murders" during a time QT was screening that Manson doc and peddling his weird conspiracy theories

not sure that QT can pull of a manson biopic

I'm guessing Tarantino has been quite content to let the Manson hand-wringing proceed a pace.

nah I think he can do it, Roman Polanski is gonna machine-gun Charlie to death and be carried shoulder-high down Hollywood Boulevard

i think it’ll be dope

cannot WAIT for Lena Dunham as a gypsy

I believe she is playing a Mansonite named Gypsy?

There wasn't even a "Hollywood" by 1969.