"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

1000 days?

That was the minimum she had to work with tbf

it's just the divorce agreement. future relationship still all to play for.

yes, and to some extent being over the line means opposition will coalesce around soft Brexit (no more revocation or 2nd ref, rejoin a distant dream at that point). but we'll still have the same problem: likely a Tory govt and we can't have any nice things while they're still there

and sadly I don't see a Labour majority if the deal goes through, esp if unpopular May stands down and they call a GE right away, while the WA means we've avoided the most immediately obvious Brexit damage. a harder Brexiter will likely be PM and be free to go as hard as they like - can they even renege on the WA and we're back to crashing out early?

that said, the ERG haven't voted for it, so maybe it's not that simple, but I assume they just want to say later that they didn't vote for it and blame May for everything

The political declaration matters, despite the Brexiteers insistence it is meaningless. If a CU isn't agreed to in there, it makes it more a thing to be negotiated for, which means we'll have to give up something else to get it. This deal is a bad deal, no matter what tbh

the declaration that the backstop wont matter once theyre out makes the whole thing a naked bad faith farce tbh

both otm

but despite that and despite having just listed reasons to be suspicious of the deal it's still better than no deal and I can't see any routes left open to a better outcome any more. hoping someone can persuade me I'm wrong on that one

channel 4 correspondent just described brexit as a game of 3d chicken

He then asked a Polish woman to talk to her gut.

Can any further motions for alternatives be laid down or is it just fiddling while Rome burns at this stage?

So she’s to request a short extension in the hopes of strong arming everyone into the deal? Surely, /surely/ we are at no-conf time by now?

the uk’s concrete plan: fuck about & fail to get a deal agreed iirc

SNP / Plaid / Lib Dems / Greens calling for parliament to sit in continuous session to find a solution, and revoke if none can be found.

I'd rather May came to that last conclusion herself, mind.

Corbyn apparently walked out of the meeting as Umunna had been invited without telling him.

I hope that's a lie, if not then fuck's sake.

Eh, how come he didn't know? Guardian said earlier that all party leaders including TIG were to be invited.

I'd be pissed off in his position as well but this is really not the time to make yourself look petulant and childish.

Can any further motions for alternatives be laid down or is it just fiddling while Rome burns at this stage?

It was not the meeting that had been agreed and the terms were broken. Downing Street is in such chaos that they were unable to manage their own proposed meeting. We are in discussions with No 10 about holding the bilateral meeting with the PM that Jeremy proposed at PMQs.

I don't see any way in which May is forced out, though. People like to talk about the men in grey suits - they must have been and gone by now.

I'd be pissed off in his position as well but this is really not the time to make yourself look petulant and childish.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:40 (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Eh, how come he didn't know? Guardian said earlier that all party leaders including TIG were to be invited.

Except TIG keep telling us they're not a party and don't have a leader.

lmao

are we getting a statement tonight ?

the ERG aren’t the only players on the board for the tory party - her remain wing is also very tightly coiled right now

The route to May getting forced out is for her to lose two no-confidence votes (eg she can no longer command majority). If there's time before the 14 mandated days elapse the Tories could hustle another leader in and get them to pass a no-conf and then the government can continue.

Or, if they can't/are out of time then it's automatically an election. May in theory can lead for that if she desires, but this is when the Men in Grey Suits point out that they won't fund a campaign with her leading and she has to resign. Surely.

Or maybe she'll go back on TV then and ask everyone for £1.

Apparently Margaret Beckett of all people was backing Corbyn’s walkout on Sky News, Chris Leslie was on the same segment to be the voice of TIG and Beckett eviscerated him.

Having spoken to several of those present at meeting with PM, here’s what I’ve been told happened;
- PM restated the case for her deal
- Didn’t entertain alternatives seriously
- Corbyn didn’t want to take part with Independent Group

— Nick Eardley (@nickeardleybbc) March 20, 2019

what was beckett’s take ? “who the fuck is chuka umunna ?”

When your mum tells you off ...slimeball @ChrisLeslieMP being put in his place(nowhere) by #MargaretBeckett 👋👋👋
pic.twitter.com/PcekANEPmK

— OneTenTwelve (@OneTenTwelve) March 20, 2019

If anyone has seen a fuller version link it!

Beckett was very reasonable on 5live a few weeks back, and didn't go for the obligatory prompts for some easy Corbyn bashing at all.

- Didn’t entertain alternatives seriously

Possibly (hopefully) the real reason Corbyn can't be arsed

Beckett is older school than the Blairite true believers tbf to her

She's a Wilsonite!

The lectern has the govt crest klaxon

Beckett called for Corbyn to resign after the referendum, let’s not be too hasty.

Reel Politik (don’t judge me!) referenced Malcolm’s rant at Glenn after Glenn defects to the Lib dems in The Thick of It & I thought about that reading this story.

Nigel 'head the ball' Evans just been heading several balls on sky

xp
she also nommed Corbz as the left wing leadership candidate, and later admitted about crying over what a disastrous it was!

decision

I wasn't saying she was great or anything tbf, just observing MB as a Balrog to Chris Leslie's Orc

Even Mike Gapes looks good when put alongside Chris Leslie tbf

where there any other CEOs of limited companies there ?

Sam Coates on R5 Live saying that May was persuaded against a long extension by the strength of cabinet opposition. I still can't believe so many of them are apparently so genuinely set on No Deal, well beyond posturing. And she was too weak to stand up to them.

It has always been a possibility, but it feels more real than ever.

She still isn't there.

- food shortages
- medicine shortages
- the collapse of pan-european bank clearing
- european capital markets shuttered
- significant percentage of europe's air traffic grounded
- destabilisation of peace in ireland

seems quite fun

Tonight will be announcement of final meaningful vote then no deal

are MI6 having a word I wonder

She's on our side

What the fuck is this speech?

As predicted, saying nothing new whatsoever, for the umpteenth time, what is the point of this?

Same shit different day

Jesus