"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

Just smash the thing with a hammer and then go out and get a new Parliament.

id put it through a few rinse cycles after switching it back on again meself

Multiple comments about parliament being confusing/archaic - 100% a feature meant to alienate people from politics in this country afaict.

Asked how you get round the Speaker’s ruling to allow MV3 only if it is “substantially” different to MV2, and whether the government might consider prorogation to circumvent this, one gvt source said:

“No! We wouldn’t get the Queen’s Speech through....”

😱😱😱

— Sam Coates Times (@SamCoatesTimes) March 18, 2019

excited for the upcoming week of parliamentary Dungeons & Dragons

If you wanted to be charitable to the British constitution, you could argue that this is a fairly sensible rule, which could potentially be included in a more modern approach to government, and that the principle should have been pretty well known by all parties. There are loads of weird and obscure rules nobody really knows about but it would be a stretch to call this one of them.

Certainly seems quite proper to not make any voting body debate the same measure indefinitely

Multiple comments about parliament being confusing/archaic - 100% a feature meant to alienate people from politics in this country afaict.

I mean, yes to all the wigs and bollocks, but a rule like "you can't keep badgering parliament to vote on the same thing time and time again" is a sensible one to have when the executive controls the timetable of the legislature. And sentences like that are necessary to describe how the damn thing works. Fuck confusion. Even X Factor has rules that amount to the same thing: "if you get rejected at the auditions you don't get a third audition with the same act"

the principle should have been pretty well known by all parties.

Tbc, this is what's strange to me. The rule in itself sounds fine, and a smart part of a parliamentary system, where a government is supposed to stand down if it can't get its policies through.

“No! We wouldn’t get the Queen’s Speech through....”

Yes but don't forget to wait 10 seconds before turning on again
― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Monday, 18 March 2019 17:21 (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

obselete advice unless the thing is a *complete* reli-

oh

It's fairly straightforward: we argue a lot then leave EU with no deal in place

This seems about right to me. every other outcome requires a greater degree of agreement than appears to exist, either in parliament or the public. Congratulations, David Cameron!

I’m watching the house atm, they’re currently debating far-right violence so I’ve missed any Erskine May shenanigans.

Aha they’re talking about extension now. Say the government will ask for extension before the EU council meeting, ie in the next few days.

They will bring a statutory instrument, which is legislation that could stop no deal if passed. If, if...

Sense of absolute shock among ministers - no idea what to do. "There's no plan yet, everyone is just trying to come to terms with it," one says.

— Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) March 18, 2019

Also the whole "turn it off and on again" thing doesn't really work because of all the in-flight legislation that would fail when parliamentary session ends. EG:

In case people hadn’t noticed some Brexit bills have been held back from a final amending stage in their first House so can be preserved for carry over (Agriculture, Fish, Immigration). Trade Bill would be lost as would Financial Services Bill.

— Nikki da Costa (@nmdacosta) March 18, 2019

How can they ask for an extension without a reasonable explanation of what they're extending for?

John Bercow is the real opposition

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) March 18, 2019

this was mentioned in the minister’s answer, the government will have to have a plan to go forward.

Lol Mark Francois asked, if the country leaves without a deal at 11pm on the 29rd March, would Bercow use his influence to get Big Ben to chime?!

“If that vote doesn’t happen or is voted down...we will ask for a long extension.”

I *think* that EU comment is just brinksmanship, and that they would be unwilling to volunteer to bring a further economic crisis on themselves, to say nothing of effectively opting to install a hard border in Ireland. But who can tell at this stage? Any one EU government could veto it and then we're all really fucked.

I agree, they don’t want a crash out, but I imagine they’ll force May to stop at least some of her shit if they’re going to continue in good faith.

can the EU offer an extension that also changes the default from no-deal to no-brexit?

It appears that Parliament can vote to simply ignore Bercow's decision today and hold the third vote anyway.

No, the UK can revoke unilaterally and that makes it no Brexit. Think that would need a vote though.

That wouldn't get through Parliament either unless the alternative is No Deal, and even then...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Wes Streeting just rose to ask a question, time to switch off.

why oh why oh why oh why is Wes not in the Indie Swagger Group yet?

Revoke doesn’t need a vote because it doesn’t remove rights from the people (per Supreme Court).

And she likely doesn’t have a majority to overturn Bercow’s ruling either! Some of the hardcases spoke in support of him today

More for the “just restart parliament” lots: it will mean the end of the DUP deal. Have they spent their £1bn yet?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/conservative-and-dup-agreement-and-uk-government-financial-support-for-northern-ireland/agreement-between-the-conservative-and-unionist-party-and-the-democratic-unionist-party-on-support-for-the-government-in-parliament (final par)

Gosh if this government's not careful they'll find themselves in contempt of Parliament.

lol state of that url

Bercow <3

More for the “just restart parliament” lots: it will mean the end of the DUP deal. Have they spent their £1bn yet?

That's a lot of bowler hats.

John Bercow is on particularly waspish form at the moment. This is what he said about Andrea Leadsom, the leader of the Commons, a moment ago.

I hope the government would feel that respect for procedure does matter. I note that as [SNP shadow Commons leader MP, Pete Wishart] asks his question and I respond, the leader of the house is playing with her electronic device, and so is the deputy chief whip. I didn’t include him in the category of very senior people in the house but that’s a debatable proposition I readily grant.

The PLP should carry him around the room shoulder-high, and then to the local police station.

Most MPs (Brexiteers and Remainers on both sides) seem to be reasonably happy w/this - shows the feeling of contempt the government has for the commons.

Surprised to see @margarethodge, known for her campaigning against tax havens and secrecy jurisdictions, appear in a promotional video for the secretively-funded ‘Taxpayers’ Alliance’. Along with Priti Patel, Rees Mogg and Liz Truss. pic.twitter.com/lVOgqP0bsi

— Joe Lo (@joeloyo) March 18, 2019

margaret hodge appears to be wanting to get thrown out of the party. or maybe she sees nothing wrong with shadowy right wing think tanks like Taxpayers Alliance.

Source here: https://t.co/aEgenGV4Q1

— Joe Lo (@joeloyo) March 18, 2019

video is enough to warrant summary executions of all involved.

that video is truly appalling and undoes any residual respect i had for her work on that select committee

I mean, she's the best thing on it, but if there's fainter praise then I have no idea what it would be.

Disgusting to see this pro IRA stance taken by the BBC. I will be writing to the Director General to make the point that the IRA were terrorists and to put them on a pedestal like this is akin to glorifying the acts of ISIS.

I am incandescent with rage. https://t.co/mtLqGYFwT1

— Ian Paisley MP (@lanPaisleyMP) March 18, 2019

That account isn’t real, alas, but this ad is: https://youtu.be/AVrHlxYXsmc

and everyone loves it

"Theresa May has urged MPs to vote as 'democrats and patriots' as part of a desperate effort to get her twice-rejected Brexit deal approved by parliament."

this is a strange choice of words.

should vote as 'officers and gentlemen'

she can fuck right off with that nauseating US style aberration of the word patriot. I feel nothing but dark anger and violence when I hear pols using that hateful word. i wish she'd hurry up and die tbh.

not until she's approached god for an extension

How dare death ignore the wishes of the largest exercise in British democracy?

she can fuck right off with that nauseating US style aberration of the word patriot. I feel nothing but dark anger and violence when I hear pols using that hateful word. i wish she'd hurry up and die tbh.

― calzino, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 10:34 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dunno about US style (obv in current imperial phase they own it well) but we had it and used if as ugly as anyone during our various turbulences

Only a shoneen would say that.

The emails from this thread are quite something.

THREAD: it’s very easy for people to demand that their MP vote as they want on a particular issue like Brexit.

My constituents voted 61% to Leave the EU in the referendum BUT the Cameron Government never spelt out a Leave ‘Plan B’... here’s a sample of emails received today:

— Andrew Gwynne MP (@GwynneMP) March 18, 2019