2020 Democratic presidential primary

bleh that IDW shit sounds so goddamned smug

insufferable dork web

@Yerac: The big POLITICO profile of Buttigieg came out more than a year ago.

Oops, sorry -- @Caek, not @Yerac

As that piece points out, Frank Bruni was marveling at PB as early as 2016.

buttigieg’s superpower is he never grandstands

For that matter, here's a WaPo profile from 2014 (a year before he came out as gay).

PB in 1999

https://i.imgur.com/1RXZwP0.jpg

You know, the same year AOC turned 10.

this is the clip of him i keep seeing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSY6AqyBrYA

it's a fine answer. whatever. and i assume given his background (harvard, oxford, mckinsey, navy) his politics are suspect. the main thing i get from that clip though is imagine him debating trump.

i assume given his background (harvard, oxford, mckinsey, navy) his politics are suspect...

i've been really impressed by buttigieg every time i've heard him speak. i hope he has enough support to make the sweet 16 round of the debates

everyone's politics are suspect, but as someone who went to oxford, yes, those people especially.

yeah, him and o'rourke talk a good game, which means they're more or less likable and have some charisma compared to the others (sanders, harris and biden).

i know some people have issues with voting strategically but neither o'rourke nor buttigieg can ever got the majority vote in a presidential race. they are, at best, good veeps. and i have my doubts about buttigieg because mainstream america wouldn't accept a homosexual, obviously.

so with that in mind, the houston press article c. grisso posted has the right idea, in my opinion. there is an identity politics game going on that can't be dismissed.

polls aren't necessarily the most accurate, and there are definitely various unquantifiable traits to be accounted for, but if we're talking numbers, by popularity, o'rourke seems like the only viable option to get swing state votes. i'm open to being challenged and be shown differently, though. while i'm not sure texas will be a swing state, he could be the key to swing states in general. i think it's still too early to tell.

sanders has divided a lot of democrats, so i'm skeptical. i really haven't read what people's thoughts are on biden right now, but he seems like the safe bet; an experienced candidate. but he also has a lot of baggage.

here's a question. which other candidate would help get majority votes in swing states? i understand it's too early to tell, but it's worth spitballing.

"mainstream america wouldn't accept a homosexual, obviously"

i have no idea what "mainstream america" is these days, but as of 2015, about 75% of americans were fine with voting for a gay candidate:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-we-actually-know-about-electability/

that's not what that data actually shows, right? just because 25% would not vote for a gay or lesbian candidate doesn't mean 75% would vote for one.

that article does sound optimistic, which is definitely a good sign. but as long as americans largely prefer a christian candidate, i'm skeptical about it. i'm definitely interested in what buttigieg has to say and will be keeping up with him.

what are beto’s policies?

South Bend, Indiana, best known for its Catholic university, seems okay with a gay candidate.

i'm not advocating for o'rourke, right? i said the houston press is on the right path. along with a strong democratic presidential candidate, there needs to be a vice president that can help win swing states. unfortunately, that sometimes means talking about how well they can connect with that demographic.

but yeah, hopefully buttigieg can get the visibility he needs. i've seen him talk and he does seem like a better candidate than o'rourke.

on what do you base your opinion that o’rourke could not win a general election, and how does that square with your opinion that he would be a good VP candidate for swing states?

i'm gauging his popularity based on the articles i've read, and as that information becomes available, and as people form an opinion on him (and other candidates).

there is a backlash from latinos with regard to his nickname and that they consider him another privileged white guy. i think the latino vote is pretty big, and if he is losing those votes, it'll be hard to win the general election.

however, i think he does well to connect with white americans who think he is centrist enough to be able to win in swing states.

Assertive political predictions after 2016 are always a good laugh.

that should read, "to be a good VP candidate in swing states."

It’s like those sports radio callers who are so ~certain but for something seemingly even less predictable and infinitely less trivial.

there is a backlash from latinos with regard to his nickname and that they consider him another privileged white guy.

is there really though...

i think the latino vote is pretty big, and if he is losing those votes, it'll be hard to win the general election.

trump won 28% of the latinx vote. I don't buy it

i really haven't read what people's thoughts are on biden right now, but he seems like the safe bet; an experienced candidate

here are some thoughts: he’s an inept listener, an incompetent reader, a groper, a doofus, a narcissist dipshit, and nine hundred years old. he should get the fuuuck outta here.

sounds like the president

hmmm intersting

no wonder he is leading in the polls! :)

lol here's Buttigieg sitting in on piano with Ben Folds. He's even better at the Gen X musician thing that Beto and that's Beto's one thing https://t.co/V6CLMqI79M

— luke oneil (@lukeoneil47) March 17, 2019

"Beto" has $6.1 million in the first twenty-four hours of announcing his 2020 bid.

Countless liberals miss their deep, political slumber. No wonder Beto looks good to them. https://t.co/auUKigOlhf

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) March 17, 2019

dennis perrin...otm?

there needs to be a vice president that can help win swing states. unfortunately, that sometimes means talking about how well they can connect with that demographic.

― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Monday, March 18, 2019 1:09 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think this effect is as strong as ppl think. it might help win _A_ swing state -- namely the vp nom's homestate (kaine in VA couldnt have hurt in 2016). but uh there is "swing state" demographic. michigan, florida, and colorado have different groups of people and interests you need to persuade in order to win those states.

Has Beto's camp released the average donation size / # of donors? Didn't see that in the CNN report.

MSNBC reported secondhand that it consisted mostly of small donations, but I'll need a source.

I'm wondering about the decision to hold off on sharing the numbers. That, plus the fact that they're just a hair over Sanders', has me wondering if the numbers are cooked in some way.

Of course it's also possible Beto is a once-in-a-lifetime political dynamo and I'm just being cynical

After 2016 and given that there will ultimately be a mere two candidates and that the last time one of the 50/50 was a cancerous human embodiment of the seven deadly sins, a cruel prank on two legs (and the other was Trump, har har), and we have been living in a parallel universe hell ever since, I don't feel comfortable with anyone making predictions of who can and will win, or where or how they can win. Right now I just assume Trump will win again, but will do everything I can to support the person who is not him.

he probably has zero chance but the fact that people are talking so much about Buttigieg in the same week that Beto and Gillibrand announce means he's doing his best with his moment.

Mika Brzezinski is personally "getting excited about Joe Biden." She hopes "he gets in, and deep"!

does this year have a ff button

I'm wondering about the decision to hold off on sharing the numbers. That, plus the fact that they're just a hair over Sanders', has me wondering if the numbers are cooked in some way.

― Simon H., Monday, March 18, 2019 8:03 AM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes was thinking the same

crisis donors

the numbers seems crazy, but Beto has a bigger email list than anyone in the race except Sanders probably

true plus his donor base was broader than texas to begin with

was just reminded that Jeb! raised 155 mil

I've gotten at least three emails from Beto just since he announced.

"South Bend, Indiana, best known for its Catholic university, seems okay with a gay candidate."

colorado just elected a gay governor. Colorado has a lot of evangelical assholes in it; this was unthinkable to me.

giving it up to my mans d-perrin today that was a good tweet

I would cut Beto a lot more slack if he wasn't trying so hard to fail up

I would cut Beto a lot more slack if he wasn't trying so hard to fail up

Mika Brzezinski is personally "getting excited about Joe Biden." She hopes "he gets in, and deep"!

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