Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

right, but that's a pre-existing meme as stated above, it's not like the UKIP people are dedicated fans

this mostly comes out of a broader hunch, that the funnel flows from chans to white nationalist stuff on youtube [whether organically or to purposefully boost their numbers/weight in the algorithm], and not the other way around. but I don't have any way to prove this

I suspect the same, katherine, but I have no way of proving it either.

Possibly because anonymity is a more fertile breeding ground for this crap.

There is plenty of this stuff on Facebook under people’s real names.

Regardless of what youtube have done / will do, this is the state of them today

Okay, because I'm here pressing F5 on a really simple search term, ordered by new, and the video is literally being uploaded once a minute right now. How is your vigilant work less effective than me using your search bar?https://t.co/ouSMIuFjKZ

— Paul Curry (@cr3) March 15, 2019

I imagine some of the Youtube recs come from data mining. Like, say, they know you listen to Chapo or you've read on more than one occasion a certain blog, they're like, "Here's a bunch of fuckin' Rogan..."

SV otm. You don’t get here without these views being legitimised and made palatable in media that people actually pay attention to.

The pewdiepie angle seems designed to cause confusion and secondary effects - and make the pewdiepie guy disavow it himself - and then cause HIS fans to get involved.

cant speak for wider social media but YT seems suspiciously "you watched a video on the migration patterns of the Common Kestrel, seems like a clip of Ben Shapiro EVISCERATING a libtard would be right up your street"

I hope in the spirit of Purim coming up we can blot out the name and face of whoever did this, I don’t want to know them.

I mean, you did say 'migration'.

xp

The far right is 'sexy television' right now and that's all that seems to matter. It was once the same with Islamist extremism, you couldn't turn on you TV without Anjem Choudary popping up, he had to actually go to prison or else he'd be appearing on Newsnight. Now there's no sign of these guys anywhere on British TV.

... appearing on Newsnight still.

I mean, you did say 'migration'.

xp

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this is always weird because I watch a bunch of LPs, game music remixes, etc., so you'd think YouTube would throw this shit at me in its recommendations, but it never does. maybe I listen to enough pop music and the like to drown it out? or maybe Google has enough external data on me that it knows I'm not a 14-year-old proto-fascist boy, but that doesn't seem to stop it for others

I would assume the algorithms target men much more aggressively, though I can't prove it. I'd be curious to see if anyone has written about gender discrepancies in content recommendations

i've certainly whined about this before but living through the moral panics of the 80s-90s re Dungeons & Dragons, “satanism”, heavy metal, gangsta rap, etc— I. can. not. fucking. believe. the collective shrug (or ridic both-sides-ism) that the online radicalization of violent white guys has received from middle class white people, the church, and the supposedly liberal mainstream media. absolutely unreal.

I turned off Google ad personalization a while ago and I can't recall the last time YT recommended me an alt-right video.

I don’t get recommended this stuff, I think it absolutely is targeted at men.

i don't think it's good that they're micro-targeting based on gender and age (and presumably race or at least nationality)

it's fine to hang out in the parts of the web where you feel most comfortable, but it should be *you* deciding that--not an algorithm

there should be a shared cultural space that is just neutral

I also suspect a lot of so-called "I used YouTube on a fresh account and you won't believe how fast it threw this stuff at me!" stuff isn't as tabula-rasa as it thinks it is -- if you use Google Chrome you're already potentially connected to your data profile, even in incognito mode. which I know sounds like nitpicking, and I'm definitely not saying there's any kind of profile that it's OK to thrust this shit at, but "YouTube over-weights alt-right stuff disproportionately for everybody" and "YouTube funnels alt-right stuff to men and boys" are two different kinds of shitty phenomenon

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-incognito-mode-privacy-tracking-chrome-a8504306.html

there should be a shared cultural space that is just neutral
― Trϵϵship, Friday, March 15, 2019 12:23 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"If you seek a pleasant peninsula, look about you"

^as they say in Michigan

there should be a shared cultural space that is just neutral

― Trϵϵship, Friday, March 15, 2019 9:23 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nothing is "neutral"

Yeah they’re called national parks and we need more of then

ideology is everywhere and in everything

I get recommended a crapload of Hasan Minhaj and a Mexican singer I have not heard of named Marco Antonio Solis. Maybe men just look at more trash online.

unfortunately there's no way to differentiate between watching and hate-watching

I was just watching a Tangerine Dream video & on the right bar there's a rec for a Joe Rogan video about David Lee Roth. I've never heard of Joe Rogan except on this thread, but I have watched Van Halen before.

btw fuck the murderers

'Up next' when I click on 'Christchurch shootings: Suspect published a manifesto before the attack - BBC News' is 'Explosives Expert Rates Unrealistic Movie Explosions'. Fuck you, YT.

No Joe Rogan in sight.

This is so sad.

The Maori statement above is heartbreaking.

nothing is "neutral"

― moose; squirrel (silby), Friday, March 15, 2019 12:34 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fine but you shouldn’t be fed one specific type of content by an algorithm based on your ascriptive identity

Beyond certain people becoming radicalized you have a basic dilemma of people from different groups living in different mental realities. And it’s not even a process users are conscious of.

Rebecca Solnit resurrected an article she wrote about isolation and individualism and how many men idealize the lone cowboy, the self made man, self responsibility and independence that they fail to see the interconnectiveness of anything. They try to create barriers to enforce this isolation and independence not knowing that they are forcing so much solitude and man-made facts they can't even recognize things like climate change or the humanity of others.

I should not say many men, but right wing, conservative which skews that way.

I agree. And I think individually tailored content is just going to fuel the solipsism too.

online bullshit just feeds into that of course, and everything online is black-and-white, with no room for the fact that the world is just one big gray area for the most part. Twitter doesn't leave room for anything but the most blunt stark statements, any attempt at nuance will wind up in an interminable (thread).

Rebecca Solnit is the best.

She's one of the few people I follow on fb.

If you need further evidence that this is stoked by mainstream politicians and media and amplified by global tech, one ammunition clip had "for Rotherham" written on it. I'm going to hazard a guess that the gunman had never met anyone from Rotherham, been there or even heard of it before the grooming gang story hit the news.

I didn't realise that one guy from the mosque jumped on the gunman and disarmed him. Fucking hero.

if he is still senator this time tomorrow then there's no hope really, is there

How do you expect the constitution of a country to be fundamentally rewritten and enacted in less than one working day?

He may have meant the other way to make someone not a senator.

Not sure that calling for the murder of a bigot in his own home is a practical response to this situation.

(Either the situation in Chch or the situation of Anning’s appointment.)

I meant firing the bastard but maybe there's no way to do that

It took you guys 800 years to figure out a way to fire members of your upper house, and they’re not even elected

One of my lib friends just tweeted Paul Joseph Watson in agreement.

What alternate reality is this