"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

wow, just think of all the progress we can make between now and June 30th

Merkel said it would be easy to do. As EU has maintained united front to date, it could easily pass, esp as most countries have bigger fish to fry with the EU anyway.
― gyac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Number of Tory MPs went to see members of Polish governing party last week in Warsaw - broadly on same errand, namely to block Article 50 extension. https://t.co/fQ7Cd9fM5o

— Patrick Wintour (@patrickwintour) March 13, 2019

fwiw, PiS is the only governing party I can think of that actually wanted the EU to concede more ground to the U.K. so blocking any future negotiations would be a massive shift.

That doesn’t contradict what I said. Don’t see why Poland would bother to act on behalf of the UK here, especially when they haven’t at any other point in the past two years.

Sure, just wanted to check whether any of the EU block want to make trouble.

They’re planning to do that by sending large numbers of far right MEPa to parliament in the new elections. They don’t want to leave anymore, they want to stay in and change the EU from within.

Also really amused at the idea of Tory MPs going to Poland like “we scapegoated your citizens to distract from our failure to address the housing crisis, we used them to win our referendum and after that referendum many of them have been abused and harassed - so help us out, yeah?”

Just spent 10 minutes reading news reports and catching up with this thread and i'm none the wiser as to what happened or why the Gov has even bothered having this vote today

Repeatedly holding meaningful votes because the margin of defeat gets slightly smaller every time might feel like progress to Downing Street. But there is still an underlying problem that even if every Tory MP decides they like the deal it still doesn’t pass without DUP votes

— Jon Stone (@joncstone) March 13, 2019

Or Labour rebels + The Indie Group showboating or something

second post in the thread deals with that

assume there are a number of bits of legislation that will have to follow any positive vote on the WA? so that majority better be stable

My reading of tonight is that more than ever May's prepared to go No Deal if she can't pass her deal, and she's still minded not to offer any alternative route

NB reading subject to change next time she opens her mouth

I don’t think they’re even near passing the statutory instruments needed to bring EU law into British law?

https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/westminster-lens-brexit-statutory-instruments-dashboard

Btw Labour rebels didn’t vote with the government tonight and they didn’t abstain either. They might be different on a referendum vote or w/e but all the people in Leave voting constituencies are not turning up to vote with the government.

*apart from the usuals 🙄

If you thought I was joking about backbench fury at ⁦@theresa_may⁩ failure to discipline ministers who defied her in tonight’s no-deal vote pic.twitter.com/bEuo8Vit3l

— Robert Peston (@Peston) March 13, 2019

i hesitate to claim anything is meaningful any more but the utter collapse of tory whipping seems like it should be meaningful
― mark s, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So it turns out that government whip Mike Freer will be allowed to remain a government whip despite breaking the three line whip he just imposed on himself.

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) March 13, 2019

Another angry Tory MP added: “That’s it. We’re done. There is no Government. Just people occupying offices, sipping lattes and pretending. And it’s all her fault.”https://t.co/rKSho8Ws2r

— Emilio Casalicchio (@e_casalicchio) March 13, 2019

any word on whether they're munching croissants as well?

Some are munching crossants, some stale crumpets, divided along leave/remain lines.

What I really need now are some vox pops from incoherent Leavers to help me make sense of today

Does it count if they're Tory MPs?

have to think that the the generation who are round about 18 right now are going to put a lot less stock in liberal democracy after growing up in this milieu

these amendments and votes are parlour games for overpaid middle-class twats

Umpteen fucking amendments and "meaningful" votes that have only created more chaos and division yet the public are stuck with their one vote three years ago.

My gut feeling is May is still going to get her deal through by the skin of her teeth and ERG will blink (to mix my anatomical metaphors). It would be the pyrrhic victory to end all pyrrhic victories of course, and she'd have to go straight after and leave the govt in an appalling state. But given there is a majority for a softer brexit in parliament, it would ultimately be a loss for remainers rather than ERGers.

If I was in charge I'd go back to the public with options for May Deal / No Deal / Remain with the condition that Remain needs >50% or the best of the two turds wins.

(not actually true: if I was in charge I'd quit)

Campbell (yes) was right on Newsnight when he pointed out that far more damage is done to democracy by this current shitshow than could ever be done by a second ref

Zelda don't forget the softness/hardness of relationship w/Europe is still completely TBC regardless of May's deal passing, or not passing!

i kind of agree with those who say a grown-up govt would revoke on the grounds that they gave it their best shot and failed. the referendum was not binding. they gave it the ol' college try. the brexiteers had two years to put together a divorce plan that parliament could agree to but couldn't. but of course no one would take the political pain involved in saying so.

The Brexiters have had a lot longer than two years to put together their ideal Brexit plan, and before the vote were all saying EEA/EFTA was where they were at. So screw them for wanting more than they were advocating during the campaign, and if we have to have an extension and EU elections, could all Remainers please vote in them? The main reason Kippers get in as MEPs is because of the low turnout.

TBH I'm at the stage of "you had your chance, and you fucked it" now. It's just going to fail, fail and fail again.

So it turns out that government whip Mike Freer will be allowed to remain a government whip despite breaking the three line whip he just imposed on himself.

I just came here to post that, astonishing and hilarious.

Kudos to The Sun for taking up nine tenths of their front page today with Madeline McCann.

What I really need now are some vox pops from incoherent Leavers to help me make sense of today

No shortage of that this morning, hurrah!

During my consultations ahead of #EUCO, I will appeal to the EU27 to be open to a long extension if the UK finds it necessary to rethink its #Brexit strategy and build consensus around it.

— Donald Tusk (@eucopresident) March 14, 2019

Kudos to The Sun for taking up nine tenths of their front page today with Madeline McCann.

i mean jesus christ just look at this fuckin' thing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1kvghqXQAESlFg.jpg:large

oh fuck off gutter press and you can fuck off as well netflix.

might as well bring back Shergar as well seeing as it's Cheltenham week!

The tin foil conhome line of course is that May is a closet remainer and this has been the plan all along.

xp get deems to have a word with the lads

she doesn't strike me as being competent enough to be a Donald Maclean of the remain camp, but maybe that's the very cunning mask!

Silence from Michael Gove but not from one of his neighbours, who called over to us: "Give him hell, he's a total w*nker."

— Aubrey Allegretti (@breeallegretti) March 14, 2019

My interview with Steve Baker: "It would be a really catastrophic negotiating error to take no deal off the table"

Also Steve Baker (in the same interview): "Catastrophe is a word that should be reserved for genuine loss of life. No politician should use it." pic.twitter.com/sa3TqcGRyD

— Daniel Hewitt (@DanielHewittITV) March 13, 2019

He's no politician, etc...

The tin foil conhome line of course is that May is a closet remainer and this has been the plan all along.

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 14 March 2019 09:52 (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mrs mac keeps saying this and refusing to engage when i splutter

1. Following two successive votes rejecting the draft withdrawal agreement (DWA) (432-202 against and 391-242 against) and this evening’s vote (321-278) to reject any no deal Brexit, here is a personal reflection/contribution on possible extensions of time under Article 50 TEU.

— Eleanor Sharpston (@akulith) March 13, 2019

(Advocate General at the CJEU here)

do NOT want a headbanger* PM for the next stage of the negotiations

*corbyn jokes will get fp’d

if you listen to May's campaigning pre-ref, she was the luke-warm and weak remainer that fbpers unfairly characterise corbyn as.

16. However, a request for a significantly longer extension based on a clear commitment to work through that programme would be underpinned by a ‘plausible justification’ and thus be intrinsically more likely to achieve command the necessary unanimous support from the EU-27.

— Eleanor Sharpston (@akulith) March 13, 2019

Would something like this have to passed by Parliament? Because, it seems unlikely.

My [senior broadcaster] gossip source said they did think May would not want to be remembered as the PM who crashed the UK out of the EU without a deal, whatever the rest of her party are clamouring for, but she is not a classical Remainer because of seeing a golden opportunity to take the UK out of EU human rights legislation (and it’s no little irony that Corbyn’s Remain vote centres on keeping the UK in all those agreements plus GFA).