"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

Yes it’s non binding but at this stage it’s pretty clear government will likely have to extend so will have to pass an extension? Who knows idk

Lol Malthouse amendment got bodied

JRM now spouting about the will of the people

government whipping for no deal then basically ?

great stuff

The votes for Malthouse are up but not Spelman.

Dennis Skinner and Kate Hoey voted for it!

Hunt, Javid, Leadsom, Mordaunt, Williamson all apparently voted for Malthouse.

They did.

Can’t believe they’re whipping against their own fucking motion.

Can I move a motion that we have a new thread soon?

I believe it's because the amendment ruled out No Deal "in all circumstances" - which could in theory lead to a sequence of events in which the UK unilaterally revokes Article 50 as it's the only remaining option.

One thing that doesn't get mentioned much is that No Deal would represent probably the biggest single shock to the *global* economy since 2008, it would be an insane act of self-harm for any EU member to veto an extension. Doesn't mean one of them won't.

brutal

3 line whip that too

the melthouse amendment

Absolute fury tonight among Tory Remainers with Yvette Cooper

They spent the whole day trying to persuade her and colleagues to drop the Spelman amendment

Instead she pushed it, meaning they felt they had no choice but to abstain on no deal vote

'She's totally fucked us'

— Steven Swinford (@Steven_Swinford) March 13, 2019

I just watched the Prime Minister going in to vote for No Deal. I told her it was a disgrace. I hope she is gone by morning She doesn't deserve her office

— Jess Phillips (@jessphillips) March 13, 2019

Tory remainers were diligently supporting most of these votes all along and you had Nicky Morgan out there supporting Malthouse? Their problems are their own.

Amended motion passed again by 43 votes

Rudd our!

*out!

rau!

heh

PM stands up and says options are the same - gives what seems like the same speech she would have given had she won the vote

— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) March 13, 2019

how long until the voting app results come in usually?

They can take aaaages on contentious votes for whatever reason

Ah! They’re all there now!

can you post?

doesn't work on my phone

Has Rudd actually gone?

Anything particular you want to see?

Spelman - only 9 Tories votes for the motion. Rudd and others voted against. 6 Labour MPs voted against - Mann, Hoey, Hepburn, Stringer, Skinner and Campbell.

i hesitate to claim anything is meaningful any more but the utter collapse of tory whipping seems like it should be meaningful

Oh, commons votes has them too:
https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/

ah okay, thanks a million!!!

Well it was nearly but not quite the same speech from May. She threatened the UK's participation in the next European elections and trying to justify to the EU any extension.

Stephen Bush was arguing that the PM could get her deal through on a 3rd vote. Especially if the EU have "had enough of this drama" and then its the Brexiteers to be turned around as we go for a softer Brexit, except I still don't see how we can actually get to stop no deal unless Art 50 is revoked.

she'll presumably need labour votes for that? the DUP aren't going to vote for the deal. not sure any labour MPs will blink now

Just want to point out that Corbyn asked May at pmqs which motion she’d be voting for tonight. She jumped up & croaked “the one with my name on it” which came across as a zing but now...lol

suzy where are you seeing this about rudd??

There might be enough Labour Leave MPs to offset the DUP.

Also how sure are we the EU will grant an extension? One veto is all it would take...

Can I move a motion that we have a new thread soon?

new thread on March 29th to celebrate the glorious utopian freedoms of Brexit

Merkel said it would be easy to do. As EU has maintained united front to date, it could easily pass, esp as most countries have bigger fish to fry with the EU anyway.

lol if rudd's gone that's how many dwp ministers in how long?

It’s hard to know who trust on what the EU thinks of extension but the chatter that Melthouse passing would have made them hardline seems right.

But short of an election or referendum or an already-passed Deal, they’re likely to be v reluctant even with it failing

NEW Bercow reveals that Government extension motion for tomorrow proposes extension until June 30th

— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) March 13, 2019

I was wrong (actually my wingman J was watching the crawl and he was wrong, he said ‘ooh, someone at DWP has resigned but it is in fact Sarah Newton, a minister).

wow, just think of all the progress we can make between now and June 30th

Merkel said it would be easy to do. As EU has maintained united front to date, it could easily pass, esp as most countries have bigger fish to fry with the EU anyway.
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Number of Tory MPs went to see members of Polish governing party last week in Warsaw - broadly on same errand, namely to block Article 50 extension. https://t.co/fQ7Cd9fM5o

— Patrick Wintour (@patrickwintour) March 13, 2019

fwiw, PiS is the only governing party I can think of that actually wanted the EU to concede more ground to the U.K. so blocking any future negotiations would be a massive shift.

That doesn’t contradict what I said. Don’t see why Poland would bother to act on behalf of the UK here, especially when they haven’t at any other point in the past two years.

Sure, just wanted to check whether any of the EU block want to make trouble.

They’re planning to do that by sending large numbers of far right MEPa to parliament in the new elections. They don’t want to leave anymore, they want to stay in and change the EU from within.

Also really amused at the idea of Tory MPs going to Poland like “we scapegoated your citizens to distract from our failure to address the housing crisis, we used them to win our referendum and after that referendum many of them have been abused and harassed - so help us out, yeah?”

Just spent 10 minutes reading news reports and catching up with this thread and i'm none the wiser as to what happened or why the Gov has even bothered having this vote today

Repeatedly holding meaningful votes because the margin of defeat gets slightly smaller every time might feel like progress to Downing Street. But there is still an underlying problem that even if every Tory MP decides they like the deal it still doesn’t pass without DUP votes

— Jon Stone (@joncstone) March 13, 2019

Or Labour rebels + The Indie Group showboating or something