"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

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Cadwalladr went full-Mensch quite some time ago. She's already decided on a narrative and has been desperately searching for evidence to fit it. It taints any supposed dirt she actually does turn up.

It remains to be seen whether Salvini wants to go to war with the rest of the EU over something that has no direct benefit to Italy, or that the Leave.EU cru, rhetoric aside, actually wants to hand the UK a scapegoat for withdrawing A50, rather than extending it.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:19 (seven years ago)

Interesting. how do you go about determining if someone has "decided on a narrative"?

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:25 (seven years ago)

The evidence is that there was major electoral interference and outright cheating in the Brexit vote, and that Arron Banks' source of the money that founded the campaign remain opaque - and it was great journalism to even get to that point in the first place.

The narrative, which she promotes largely via Twitter rather than her articles, is that this is all part of a unified international conspiracy emanating from Russia and tying in both Facebook and Trump.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:30 (seven years ago)

I hear an interesting move is afoot by Tory/DUP/Labour Brexiteer MPs - tabling a joint amendment to rule out a 2nd Referendum in principle for Thursday’s voting. Plan is to spike People’s Vote’s guns early.

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) March 13, 2019

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:42 (seven years ago)

Downing Street unable to satisfactorily explain why the government is whipping against the Spelman amendment but isn't whipping against the Malthouse amendment, despite May saying she opposed both in the Commons earlier.

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) March 13, 2019

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:45 (seven years ago)

gyac OTM about the continued bigging up of the Malthouse amendment being embarrassing madness

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:46 (seven years ago)

I've long had a suspicion that those who slag her off either (i) don't want her to be right because of the awfulness of it or (ii) have vested interests. Happy to be corrected though.

Yes, it certainly is true that I’m a wide-eyed optimist in the pocket of Russia.

I think it’s a story worth covering, I just wish it was being done by someone who wasn’t her. You can dig up all the evidence of dodginess on the Leave side all you like, but when you’re spending time out there pouncing on everything and going “Russia!”, you’re stepping on your own good work and allowing the crowd being investigated to handwave anything accurate coming from you.

She tweeted this the other day, when a simple google would have saved her a lot of goodwill.

Really hope journalists in Ireland pay attention to this story. Explosive new doc reveals your prime minister was in thrall to Facebook & lobbied on its behalf. Your country’s relationship with Silicon Valley is deeply dysfunctional & affects us allhttps://t.co/xS171tYDVI

— Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla) March 3, 2019

But why do that when you can be extrapolating on the reasons why Andy Wigmore might have his twitter location turned off?

It’s not even the most important story of how Brexit happened. These guys are undoubtedly wrong ‘uns but they’re small fry compared to Rupert Murdoch, the Rothermeres and the Barclays.

gyac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:46 (seven years ago)

Yes the fact that we have a slavishly pro-Brexit press printing absolute fantasies on a daily basis is more significant and I don't think anyone has accused Rupert Murdoch of being in the pay of the Kremlin recently.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:48 (seven years ago)

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9e52ba4e157a3b2681d2038bf7c5046570f6e136/0_276_5592_3355/master/5592.jpg

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:53 (seven years ago)

god willed the creation of the unitary nation state

Neil S, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:55 (seven years ago)

he just did a bad job with the United Kingdom

Neil S, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:55 (seven years ago)

i mean fine but why isnt he lobbying for a return to the actual nations of biblical times while hes up and roaring

~mine own~ bitcoin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:55 (seven years ago)

Sodom, Gomorrah, um the other ones

Neil S, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:56 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9uj2GY1MHQ

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:56 (seven years ago)

The Bible was originally written in English per the KJV's wording, which got babelized by swarthy foreigners then subsequently rediscovered in the 17th century iirc.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 15:00 (seven years ago)

that's....way better than it has any right to be xp

Simon H., Wednesday, 13 March 2019 15:01 (seven years ago)

snoop mogg alone justifies at least .5% of brexit

~mine own~ bitcoin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 15:02 (seven years ago)

T May w/ ragged voice very compelling (not the words tho)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:06 (seven years ago)

morbz no horny on main

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:11 (seven years ago)

Define “compelling.”

gyac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:11 (seven years ago)

got my attention on the radio

kinda like Sinatra in the '90s

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:14 (seven years ago)

Regrets, she's had none.

Carpool Tunnel (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:20 (seven years ago)

these boots weren't made for turnin'

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:24 (seven years ago)

Tomorrow's front page: Theresa May vows to press ahead with her Brexit plan even if she loses her premiership https://t.co/iqBDGcqdpg pic.twitter.com/o0EwDTq53x

— The Sun (@TheSun) October 21, 2018

gyac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:25 (seven years ago)

Balls, that was meant to link to the photo.

For some reason I thought she mentioned Sinatra in her Desert Island Discs, but no:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04pr6rz

gyac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:26 (seven years ago)

let her be frank

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:29 (seven years ago)

desert island discs usually (about 99% of the time) features rich people who hate music, but i'll play along with this stupid show.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:34 (seven years ago)

ok u got me, i edit The Sun

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 17:11 (seven years ago)

ummmmmmmm

The US admissions scandal: have any mediocre students ever ended up at Oxbridge? https://t.co/CoUUfmwBVp pic.twitter.com/I1bRuBfAy7

— Guardian G2 (@guardiang2) March 13, 2019

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 17:19 (seven years ago)

anyway - still potential for drama tonight if spelman gets moved and the government doesn’t allow a free vite

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 17:23 (seven years ago)

lmao she tried to withdraw it and bercow told her to get tae

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 17:26 (seven years ago)

My understanding was she was entitled to withdraw it unless one of the other signatories insisted? Dunno, i'm at work this evening so largely off-grid. Bercow is the Parliamentary equivalent of attention-hungry football refs who make the rules up as they go along

Carpool Tunnel (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:03 (seven years ago)

May risks further blow as Bercow dismisses attempt to stop vote on hostile no-deal amendment

Spelman says she is going to withdraw her amendment.

She says that that is because it is more important to have a big vote for a no-deal amendment (ie, a big majority for the government motion) than for her to carry on with an amendment already passed in January.

So she will withdraw her amendment, she says.

John Bercow, the Speaker, intervenes. He says she cannot withdraw it. It is being debated, and it is in the hands of the house. He says that she can choose not to move it. But other signatories to it could move it, he says.

Bercow dismisses Tory attempt to cancel a vote on a no-deal amendment embarrassing to the government.
This is awkward for Theresa May because the government motion would have been carried overwhelmingly, without the Conservative party splitting. But if the Spelman amendment is moved by one of the other signatories, as seems likely (Labour MPs Jack Dromey and Yvette Cooper are among those who have signed it), there probably will be a Tory split.

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:07 (seven years ago)

I'll admit that in moments of real denial and despair I've wondered if Bercow has some cunning, anorak-ish plan to scupper the whole thing via a certain interlocking series of votes and amendments that dials all the pieces into some inexorable zugzwang whose only resolution is revocation

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:08 (seven years ago)

Bercow said earlier if the unchanged deal comes back a third time, he can block it.

gyac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:09 (seven years ago)

wonder if a wee spell in opposition (and all the requisite bloodletting that would entail) might not be the best option for the conservatives rn

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:12 (seven years ago)

For Labour, the path to resolving the Brexit crisis is easy enough in theory – they just need to win a parliamentary majority of 20 or above. In practice this may be quite difficult but it is at least theoretically achievable.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2019/03/why-its-not-true-say-general-election-wouldnt-change-anything-brexit

...a mere one-point swing from the Conservatives to Labour would see them lose 15 seats... In addition, a further 21 seats would fall to Labour if they can replicate their 2017 swing, which was in of itself only their fifth-best since 1945.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/10/jeremy-corbyns-2017-performance-was-better-you-think

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:23 (seven years ago)

Quoting private remarks by the Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, Weyand also said the decision to vote for no deal was “like the Titanic voting for the iceberg to get out of the way"


wouldn't this make more sense if it were referring to a vote AGAINST a no-deal brexit? I'm sure i don't know anymore, though, about anything

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:36 (seven years ago)

Yes I'm sure that's what was meant

Alba, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:54 (seven years ago)

voting on spelman now?

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:01 (seven years ago)

I didn’t realise the disgraced former Secretary was Scottish.

The Spelman amendment is being moved & this could split the Tories, let’s see...

gyac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:02 (seven years ago)

How many MPs do you reckon go through the No Deal lobby?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:05 (seven years ago)

200+

gyac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:06 (seven years ago)

130 imo

ShariVari, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:08 (seven years ago)

I think Spelman is a whipped vote so in theory you’d expect to see some resignations (unless they abstain lol)

gyac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:08 (seven years ago)

Which disgraced former secretary?

god willed the creation of the unitary nation state

Read this as 'god willed the creation of the urinary nation state'.

The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:11 (seven years ago)

Disgraced former defence secretary Dr Liam Fox.

gyac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:12 (seven years ago)

He doesn't sound Scottish to you?

The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:15 (seven years ago)

liz truss on c4 news now coming across as an utter moron

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:16 (seven years ago)


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