"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

Free vote now for Malthouse amendment too after threatened ministerial rebellion... but not (yet) Spelman-Dromey

— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) March 13, 2019

no one willing to take any political pain

assume calculation may is weighing: do I save country or party? of course, no deal kills her party too

so unless someone blinks and votes through her deal in MV4 (which presumably precipitates DUP removing support) may’s choice will be betw political pain of no deal (conservative party’s brand dead for a generation) or political pain of GE (giving the hot seat to a genuine socialist). whether labour would win or not is questionable but they’re obviously terrified that it’s a very real prospect. almost think phillip may (who advocated against the last GE iirc and who is her closest adviser) would strongly advise against GE

Lol the hardliners are going full Malthouse now even though the EU has ruled it out several times. They’re mad. Absolutely mad.

The important thing for them is to be able to blame the EU when the shitshow begins. And if they can get Maitlis to nod sagely at "we presented sensible and credible plans to the EU and they rejected them hey look at the chaos of Labour!" then their job here is done.

tories will not bear their share of no deal pain

labour wouldnt win a ge

campaign for a ge wouldnt on any way lead to better or more coherent brexit outcomes anyway, the options are known

You seem to be forgetting that the Independent Group has changed the way politics works in the 21st century.

i'm backing a general election solely on the grounds that it'd be v funny to see each and every one of the independent group dipshits lose their seats

xxp I don't entirely know about that, Corbyn's red lines are not May's - but the time to start that negotiation is six months ago.

bg also votm

It doesn't matter what his red lines are if Corbyn can't get his version of Brexit through Parliament, he would be up against MPs who think the lines should be redder and those who think there should be no Brexit at all. In fact it's virtually guaranteed that the Tories would be 100% united in voting against him, which would hand a lot of power to committed Labour Remainers. I'd go as far as to say it would be even more unpopular within Parliament and he'd be staring down the barrel of his own humiliating defeats. He would need a sizeable working majority and that looks reasonably unlikely right now.

Yeah, I'd agree with that up to the end - I think May is considerably more toxic to her activists than Corbyn is and that would make a lot of difference in the GE. My point was just that the options we have aren't all the options.

this is very good (and very long) on labour’s brexit position and how it could potentially play out were they in government
https://duncanlaw.wordpress.com/2018/06/08/labours-brexit-policy/

i don't see how we end up with anything other than a hung parliament in the event of a ge

pinning my hopes on a remainer-led military coup tbh

The (admittedly weird) position is that May could get Corbyn's Brexit through parliament. And I think that's right; it's probably the only Really Existing Brexit that could get through the current parliament

I agree corbyn is PM

Last week @arron_banks & @andywigmore went to Veneto, the heartland of Italy's Lega Nord. Today, the plan is revealed. The fascists have agreed to help Britain exit without a deal. Salvini will block an extension of article 50. We're fucked. pic.twitter.com/06bNSrd9EJ

— Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla) March 13, 2019

^thread

Revoke A50.

well that's... troubling xp

It’s complete nonsense for a number of reasons & CC needs to be ignored (in general, not meaning just you)

Why?

Honestly seeing the Tory Party slowly realise they're in the wickerman has been one of the few bright spots in this, and I would really love for May to decide that since her deal is the best one possible from the clear mandate that the public gives her when it speaks in her head at 11:32 every day, the real way forwards would be to go back to the public with that as the official policy and get a proper mandate.

― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 21:35 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"May says Corbyn says he opposes no deal, but he votes to bring it closer. Labour’s plan has been rejected several times by this house. She says she may not have her own voice, but she understands the voice of the country. "

I think it’s far more likely that they’re discussing European elections. The leave crowd have never stopped campaigning and I think they have anticipated this possibility for a while. The Lega are going to elect a raft of Eurosceptic, far right MEPs to the EP and other countries will do similar.

Also, CC is awful.

Fun fact: there is nothing in the British constitution that says that the prime minister must be a party leader.

— alex hern (@alexhern) March 13, 2019

fuck yeah, time for ian duncan smith to reclaim the mantle

the quiet man to roar... again

Lads, I've got it

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/time-reverse-quantum-computer-science-study-moscow-a8820516.html

Don't really get gyac's Cadwalladr hate. What's so awful about her - can you expand? My view is essentially the reverse, she's p. much the only mainstream journalist who *isn't* awful, insofar as she's the only one bothering to look into the dirty money behind the Leave campaign and the failure to bring those involve to book. I've long had a suspicion that those who slag her off either (i) don't want her to be right because of the awfulness of it or (ii) have vested interests. Happy to be corrected though.

xp
when they send time-agents back to young soso and lenin with tactical info + there will be a timeline with the soviet socialist republics of the US and Europe.. yay!

fun fact: time travel is real, time travellers have already fixed the timeline, and we're living in the best possible outcome

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2F5bb442825f3a8ffa45cd24e5c2cda050%2Ftumblr_mnf7ltF63o1s9il7lo1_r1_400.gif&f=1

Indeed, it's in Leibniz's Essays of Theodicy on the Goodness of God, the Freedom of Man and the Origin of Evil. All you gotta do is read between the lines.

all for the best, in the best of all possible Brexits

We are heading straight towards it.

Exquisite:

https://youtu.be/YFy70V78eEc?t=68

Too bad you can't embed timestamped YT links.

this would seem to confirm Cadwalladr's point, though the replies are good

The British establishment would do well to remember the Eurosceptic scene is a close-knit group across the continent and on the rise - some are now in power!

If our politicians betray Brexit and vote for delay, @MatteoSalviniMI can defend the 17.4 million and veto! 👊🇮🇹🇬🇧

— Leave.EU (@LeaveEUOfficial) March 13, 2019

v cool that we're at the unabashed 'nice united kingdom you've got there, be a shame if something... happened to it' stage of brexit now

Lega Nord not actually in favour of even leaving the European Union of course.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bu8lU4NjHUx/

https://i.imgur.com/s28RBAE.png

Masterpiece of the genre, right down the unicorn.

Cadwalladr went full-Mensch quite some time ago. She's already decided on a narrative and has been desperately searching for evidence to fit it. It taints any supposed dirt she actually does turn up.

It remains to be seen whether Salvini wants to go to war with the rest of the EU over something that has no direct benefit to Italy, or that the Leave.EU cru, rhetoric aside, actually wants to hand the UK a scapegoat for withdrawing A50, rather than extending it.

Interesting. how do you go about determining if someone has "decided on a narrative"?

The evidence is that there was major electoral interference and outright cheating in the Brexit vote, and that Arron Banks' source of the money that founded the campaign remain opaque - and it was great journalism to even get to that point in the first place.

The narrative, which she promotes largely via Twitter rather than her articles, is that this is all part of a unified international conspiracy emanating from Russia and tying in both Facebook and Trump.

I hear an interesting move is afoot by Tory/DUP/Labour Brexiteer MPs - tabling a joint amendment to rule out a 2nd Referendum in principle for Thursday’s voting. Plan is to spike People’s Vote’s guns early.

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) March 13, 2019

Downing Street unable to satisfactorily explain why the government is whipping against the Spelman amendment but isn't whipping against the Malthouse amendment, despite May saying she opposed both in the Commons earlier.

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) March 13, 2019

gyac OTM about the continued bigging up of the Malthouse amendment being embarrassing madness

I've long had a suspicion that those who slag her off either (i) don't want her to be right because of the awfulness of it or (ii) have vested interests. Happy to be corrected though.

Yes, it certainly is true that I’m a wide-eyed optimist in the pocket of Russia.

I think it’s a story worth covering, I just wish it was being done by someone who wasn’t her. You can dig up all the evidence of dodginess on the Leave side all you like, but when you’re spending time out there pouncing on everything and going “Russia!”, you’re stepping on your own good work and allowing the crowd being investigated to handwave anything accurate coming from you.

She tweeted this the other day, when a simple google would have saved her a lot of goodwill.

Really hope journalists in Ireland pay attention to this story. Explosive new doc reveals your prime minister was in thrall to Facebook & lobbied on its behalf. Your country’s relationship with Silicon Valley is deeply dysfunctional & affects us allhttps://t.co/xS171tYDVI

— Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla) March 3, 2019

But why do that when you can be extrapolating on the reasons why Andy Wigmore might have his twitter location turned off?

It’s not even the most important story of how Brexit happened. These guys are undoubtedly wrong ‘uns but they’re small fry compared to Rupert Murdoch, the Rothermeres and the Barclays.

Yes the fact that we have a slavishly pro-Brexit press printing absolute fantasies on a daily basis is more significant and I don't think anyone has accused Rupert Murdoch of being in the pay of the Kremlin recently.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9e52ba4e157a3b2681d2038bf7c5046570f6e136/0_276_5592_3355/master/5592.jpg

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9e52ba4e157a3b2681d2038bf7c5046570f6e136/0_276_5592_3355/master/5592.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=980075b3ec4c882871aa6babb4a7cccf