"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

Iannucci posting about a simultaneously catastrophic lack of credible opposition and government to a typically thick-headed Caitlin Moran post is some fbpe gold for you people tonight!

I also wonder if May might yet turn the car around - she's warned that the defeat might lead to no Brexit, would she end up putting out a flowchart with "and if none of you can get your act together then we'll cancel".

Worst FAP ever

“I’m a socialist.”

“Joe’s an arch neo-liberal Tory.”

“I’m socially right.”

The facebook group which gets people with radically different political views to meet up in the pub and chat, nicely.

We need more of this! 👏 pic.twitter.com/Evdn75Bvle

— Catrin Nye (@CatrinNye) March 12, 2019

*bashes self to sleep*

we're all going to die:

Yep, this actually just happened at Brunton Park...#cufc pic.twitter.com/SPTw1fCMb3

— Matthew Hill (@NicoHillkenberg) March 12, 2019

Ugh I just remembered we still have to hear about the Bloody Sunday trials this week too. 💀

The Westminster meeting was attended by about 90 MPs and peers

At least nobody can accuse these guys of being populists

Ugh, Jess Phillips is on cancer Bake-Off next week.

Jess Phillips is a Nandos Tucker Carlson for the Guardian voyeur set

^ most spot on descriptive metaphor since "authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board"

We go again!

People with different political viewpoints talk to each other in the pub literally millions of times a day, it's only political wonks who think this is a new development.

At 6.42pm last night just before the vote, the MOD announces that it believes soldiers will face criminal charges on Thursday over the Bloody Sunday Massacre in 1972...

— alex thomson (@alextomo) March 13, 2019

The optics of relying on the DUP and Kate Hoey to get through any legislation limiting the chance of prosecution would...not be good. I imagine there'd be a few other Labour MPs willing to vote for it, though.

Plenty of Action Man fetishists in the PLP still

still lol about the period when some idiots were nominating D Jarvis as a contender.

https://pogmoorara.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/dan2.jpg

medals all awarded when he was still getting bummed by baden powell in the venture scouts when he was in his early 20's.

David Cameron urges MPs to rule out no-deal Brexit

David Cameron has urged his successor to abandon her deal and search of “other alternatives” on Brexit.

Speaking to reporters outside his house, he said:

Obviously what needs to happen next is to rule out no deal, that would be a disaster for our country and to seek an extension and I’m sure that’s what’s going to happen next.

What happened last night is that some people who have always wanted Brexit have voted against it again. And this is exasperating for the prime minister and I think she should feel free to look at other alternatives for partnership deals, and the like, in order to solve this problem, because you can’t go on with a situation where people who want Brexit keep voting against it.

The temerity of the likes of Blair and Cameron to keep speaking to the press is something I'll never understand. Is it standard UK practice for ex PM's to deliver commentary from the grave? (Googled it and yep, the media will even dust off John Major to deliver some sound bites). Idk, over here former PM's seem over the moon to not have to talk about current affairs any more. It benefits no one.

Major is generally pretty sensible, the other two cunts can gtf though.

looking forward to theresa may's dessicated corpse popping up to croak dire prognostications on the today programme for decades after she finally loosens her grip on power

starting to think that she'll just continue on as PM until the inevitable heat death of the universe

separate question as to whether you agree with anything they say and whether they are a legitimate source of comment

im all for it. like having out of work managers as pundits

the bitterness and willing to expose the dirty underbelly or stir shit is invaluable drama and im thinking allardyce here rather than an actual politician

it's the deferential treatment from the bbc/graun towards Blair that winds me up something shocking.

it's a bit like mourinho giving his ~vision~ on attacking football after being sacked again and again and again for parking the bus

the deferential treatment given to any of the cunts is shocking and i only have to tolerate it on evenings like yesterday tis no wonder ye are all lunatics that watch it regularly

(I know you all know but) I'd thought the motion today was going to be "do you want No Deal, then?" but the motion being voted on says the House "declines to approve leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement" but also mentions that it's still what's going to happen if nothing changes.

There's a Spelman-Dromney amendment that says that the House rejects no deal under any circumstance, which will apparently get enough votes to pass, which y'know, that's nice but it doesn't change the fact that they'll still have to actually come up with something...

Heading to table a #MalthouseCompromise Plan B amendment with @DamianGreen, @NickyMorgan01 and @Simonhartmp, supported by @Jacob_Rees_Mogg, @NigelDoddsDUP and Iain Duncan Smith pic.twitter.com/LzMbozTinJ

— Steve Baker MP (@SteveBakerHW) March 12, 2019

Rees-Mogg, Dodds and IDS are being played in the photo by a banister.

David Cameron urges MPs to rule out no-deal Brexit

Hey this is all your fault and if you wanted parameters to be set then maybe you should have set some, instead of letting everyone be all "vote for us and you can have all the cheap food and easy trade deals in whatever colour you like" and then creating a power vacuum immediately after the vote for wankers to double down on "we don't even want any food or trade deals because we're a big, strong, very important country so we'll be fine without!" and all the other most stupidly pointlessly damaging interpretations of the 6000 incompatible things they promised

anyway I don't really know what's going on any more since half the commentators are going "yesterday's vote makes no deal lots more likely" and half of them are going "yesterday's vote plus something cryptic May said means surely someone sensible is about to take the wheel and Brexit is over hurrah" but all possible outcomes seem bad so maybe I should stop even worrying about it

Today’s tariff schedule seems to be aimed at pressuring Ireland to drop the backstop. “Drop the backstop or we’ll wreck your beef industry” - like we never knew they were going to play that card.

I've got another naïve question: why is the backstop so awful and an existential threat to Great Albion?

Verhofstadt with his eyes on the prize:

Guy Verhofstadt says a long extension of article 50 would mean Nigel Farage staying on as an MEP. He would continue to get his salary, which he could pay into his offshore company, and he would continue to be able to do his “dirty work” in the EU.

Verhofstadt says he would be opposed to any article 50 extension unless the UK has decided what it wants.

because it gives the wretched irishman power over our precious sovereign borders iirc xp

Verhofstadt says he would be opposed to any article 50 extension unless the UK has decided what it wants.

this is it, really - how the fuck can the government say with a straight face that we now know what we want without, at the very least, a general election

Would it be unreasonable, if there’s an extension that requires UK participation in the next EU elections, to urge Remainers to come out in force to, I don’t know, prove an engagement with the EU in terms of voter participation? Because if we did, maybe there’d be enough of a centre/left vote to sling Farage and Kippers out of office?

What bg said but essentially the deal would have be done by now if May wasn’t replying on the DUP to stay in power.

The DUP opposed the Good Friday agreement. They opposed any attempt to normalise relations on the Ireland - you know, anything that might make moderate unionists think “they’re not all bad there after all”. The problem with the backstop is that it puts NI in a separate customs arrangement to Britain in the name of keeping the border open. Anything that they perceive as differentiating NI from Britain is a threat to the union (nm all the often cited things that don’t exist in NI like gay marriage & abortion). The DUP keep pretending they don’t want a border but the reality is that they do, because demographics aren’t on their side and nationalists are thinking about unity more than they have been in a long while.

Rté has this piece about English & Ireland.
https://www.rte.ie/eile/brainstorm/2019/0311/1035658-brexit-ireland-and-languages/

I have to say I would like to see Irish be more integrated into daily life, they should teach it in the same way they do French and German at second level. I think people commonly cite the modern Hebrew revival as the model?

I have to say I would like to see Irish be more integrated into daily life, they should teach it in the same way they do French and German at second level. I think people commonly cite the modern Hebrew revival as the model?

― gyac, Wednesday, March 13, 2019 11:46 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Look no further than the Welsh, who've started an ambitious plan to try and get a million Welsh speakers by 2050.

There is also some ERG foil-hattery about how, since the point of the backstop is to stop GB fucking over the NI border,

a) this impinges on the UK's natural right to fuck over NI

b) this impinges on the UK's natural right to fuck over RoI (for those on the Karen Bradley level of keeping up with recent affairs)

c) having to get the EU to check UK's homework on whatever plans eventually appear means that the EU will be able to keep the UK half-in the EU permanently because that is definitely a thing that the EU want.

Lol the hardliners are going full Malthouse now even though the EU has ruled it out several times. They’re mad. Absolutely mad.

Free vote now for Malthouse amendment too after threatened ministerial rebellion... but not (yet) Spelman-Dromey

— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) March 13, 2019

no one willing to take any political pain

assume calculation may is weighing: do I save country or party? of course, no deal kills her party too

so unless someone blinks and votes through her deal in MV4 (which presumably precipitates DUP removing support) may’s choice will be betw political pain of no deal (conservative party’s brand dead for a generation) or political pain of GE (giving the hot seat to a genuine socialist). whether labour would win or not is questionable but they’re obviously terrified that it’s a very real prospect. almost think phillip may (who advocated against the last GE iirc and who is her closest adviser) would strongly advise against GE

Lol the hardliners are going full Malthouse now even though the EU has ruled it out several times. They’re mad. Absolutely mad.

The important thing for them is to be able to blame the EU when the shitshow begins. And if they can get Maitlis to nod sagely at "we presented sensible and credible plans to the EU and they rejected them hey look at the chaos of Labour!" then their job here is done.

tories will not bear their share of no deal pain

labour wouldnt win a ge

campaign for a ge wouldnt on any way lead to better or more coherent brexit outcomes anyway, the options are known

You seem to be forgetting that the Independent Group has changed the way politics works in the 21st century.

i'm backing a general election solely on the grounds that it'd be v funny to see each and every one of the independent group dipshits lose their seats

xxp I don't entirely know about that, Corbyn's red lines are not May's - but the time to start that negotiation is six months ago.

bg also votm

It doesn't matter what his red lines are if Corbyn can't get his version of Brexit through Parliament, he would be up against MPs who think the lines should be redder and those who think there should be no Brexit at all. In fact it's virtually guaranteed that the Tories would be 100% united in voting against him, which would hand a lot of power to committed Labour Remainers. I'd go as far as to say it would be even more unpopular within Parliament and he'd be staring down the barrel of his own humiliating defeats. He would need a sizeable working majority and that looks reasonably unlikely right now.

Yeah, I'd agree with that up to the end - I think May is considerably more toxic to her activists than Corbyn is and that would make a lot of difference in the GE. My point was just that the options we have aren't all the options.