"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

lol at shouts for yes and no to May's "what does the house want to do? Does it want a new referendum"

Just a total fkn joke.

xp yeah of fucking boredom

Guys she basically countenanced the possibility of Ref 2 Electric Brexaloo if the vote for extension passes

(narrator's voice: there was no majority for Ref 2)

Odds on a General Election in the next few months must have just collapsed.

david cameron exile pls

Sir Vince Cable, the Lib Dem leader, asks if there is any precedent since, say, the American war of independence of a PM being defeated twice, but continuing with the same policy.

Bercow says it is usually unwise to say something is unprecedented.

lol

It’s going down exactly how [gossipy broadcaster] told me it would!

Bercow says it is usually unwise to say something is unprecedented.

― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, March 12, 2019 12:33 PM (twenty-four seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

one of the deepest human truths

2019 election still as short as 10/11 at one bookies.

TBH at this stage May is probably minded to vote down No Deal purely to fuck with the ERG.

so:

- surely no majority for No Deal
- gut tells me not quite a majority for Extension???

not enjoying neil in his dressing gown

its gonna be

extension
2nd ref
no brexit

why do ye think otherwise

bcz we’re living in hell, obv

not convinced of the parliamentary arithmetic for 1 and 2 - yet
not at all convinced of the national arithmetic for 3 if 2 happens

She says the government motion will say that a no-deal Brexit remains the government’s default, unless there is a deal.

She says, if MPs vote to leave without a deal, that will become government policy.

If MPs reject the plan, there will be a vote on Thursday on extending article 50.

OK this from the graun liveblog I think makes this comprehensible, the Wednesday vote is on whether to direct the government to leave without a deal, and then Thursday could actually bind the government to seek the extension

so:

- surely no majority for No Deal
- gut tells me not quite a majority for Extension???

wait did andrew neil say “is theresa may beginning to lose control of this process?”

jfc

the Wednesday vote is on whether to direct the government to leave without a deal, and then Thursday could actually bind the government to seek the extension

yeah, altho they'd be voting for an extension *before* there's any agreement on what grounds they'd be asking for the extension for

finish the previous post - thrown by brillo - no majority in the tory party (esp with TIG) for another GE.

ye have such awful politicians jesus that cleverly buck

There's going to be an extension, even if MPs somehow miraculously vote the deal through on a third reading there would have to be an extension. The only scenario that doesn't involve an extension is No Deal, and if that's ruled out then what's the alternative?

he is diiiiiire

you're talking as if this parliament is incapable of making two mutually exclusive votes Matt

Checking out the votes on the app now - Frank Field, Ian Austin & John Mann voted with the government. Both Johnsons voted against the deal which seems to illustrate how confused and directionless this whole thing is.

but as matt says, what's the alternative? i can only see it would be a GE, and the Tories absolutely do not want that. extension is inevitable (aside from the fact that even if TM's deal is passed you steal need an extended period of legal implementation) xp

no you're both right and i was wrong that extension is more likely than not but i don't think anything could shock me at this point

anyway, looking forward to seeing the NI border plans tomorrow

not convinced of the parliamentary arithmetic for 1 and 2 - yet
not at all convinced of the national arithmetic for 3 if 2 happens

― Carpool Tunnel (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:39 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its done chill out

Extension is inevitable, but an extension without any sense of which way it goes is pointless. Don't think 2nd ref will happen. Think the deadlock can only result in a GE

A GE would very likely lead to another hung Parliament or tiny majority for either side, it wouldn't solve the Brexit question at all.

ge changes nothing

why ye all stil fighting the necessary and inevitable 2nd ref fbpe

lol i knew your sang-froid was mostly for the lulz but you've shown your hand there

its whatever annoys ye most u know methods apply em fbpe

Revoke and spare millions death from pure tedium imo

second ref wouldn't change anything.

more chance of labour majority, with different negotiating red lines, than a comprehensive remain/leave win in ref II

lolll xp to nv

deems & my dad near- indistinguishable at this point in time

no votes for a 2nd ref either :)

proud to hep ye

i mean we have actually FBPE-ers on this thread regularly i don't think darragh's hamming it up is gonna send anybody over the edge

no wait come back this time im different

different red lines is the most interesting approach meaning as it does the dratted dups must have been removed

Irl lol @ this guy getting huffy that the UK can’t extend unilaterally

so many clips of our award-winning MPs that should be shown over a caption from Blair's "politicians are the *real* experts" speech

The idea that Labour will be able to deliver some kind of smoother Brexit is complete pie-in-the-sky thinking unless they somehow win a big majority. They could offer the softest Brexit possible and it would still be hammered from all sides and probably defeated in the Commons.

They'd be better off not getting any of this shit on their hands in the first place.

TM to revoke & resign

(many xps) If there's a vote against no deal, then the vote on Thursday has to extension vs cancellation, surely? In which case extension will win handily.

The one thing an election makes likely is the removal of the DUP as kingmakers. In which case suddenly a border in the sea is totally acceptable and we’re off to Singapore at last.