2020 Democratic presidential primary

? think yr confused, ppl participate in capitalism all the time. 'socialists' are the ones who don't have to do anything to identify as such.

i missed this conversation by several hours but my gut tells me that biden has absolutely no chance of going anywhere in this primary, if he chooses to run. as usually, i believe that i could be completely wrong. but notwithstanding polls which show him up a bit compared to other contenders, it just seems completely wrong and i can't imagine everyone uniting around him before uniting around a number of other candidates. he's polling high based on name recognition, first and foremost.

I agree, there are a dozen obvious things that can and would quickly sink him in a general. The only thing that could keep him afloat would be a huge amount of Dem party infrastructure and media support. And even then, it would take *a lot* to keep his negatives at bay.

really? seems to me that he’d probably crush trump; his biggest obstacle is likely getting past the primaries

That focus group of African American women in SC, posted by Alfred upthread, made me think that he has more going for him than just name recognition. On the other hand, it's mostly just positive feelings toward Obama. I'm not sure that goes very far when the spotlight is on Biden himself. It's also kind of crazy to me that Biden is old enough that the first time he ran for president was 30+ years ago.

http://ronwade.freeservers.com/2017Cause-1x22.jpg

really? seems to me that he’d probably crush trump; his biggest obstacle is likely getting past the primaries

How would he do this, exactly? He's explicitly pro-billionaires and his ethical/voting record is trash, not to mention his habit of getting handsy with women on camera. Obama nostalgia is only so powerful.

What's the narrative to a Biden run? "Remember before?" I don't think that's good enough to galvanize voters enough to beat an incumbent, even if it is Trump.

I think Biden would have beaten Trump in 2016 (in the sense that anyone with a more positive profile than Clinton probably would have) but the moment passed him by.

How would he do this, exactly? He's explicitly pro-billionaires and his ethical/voting record is trash, not to mention his habit of getting handsy with women on camera. Obama nostalgia is only so powerful.

― Simon H., Saturday, March 9, 2019 2:37 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the people who care about these things vote in the democratic primaries, is the point I think

His Narrative is that he's not brown, female, or Trump.

^ plus he has a really great 100 watt smile

Amy Klobuchar on how to deal with Trump: "I will use humor.” Notes that after he made fun of her in the blizzard, she said: "You know what I’d like to see how your hair will work in a blizzard, Mr. Umbrella Man."

— Matt Viser (@mviser) March 9, 2019

counterpoint: his smile looks like the ghost of a fish that's been whittled out of ginger

Andrew Yang has a meme problem.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/9/18256622/andrew-yang-2020-president-meme-yanggang

feel like that was a veep episode, no?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/10/beto-orourke-2020-attack-1214805

fire up the #metoo klaxons

EXCLUSIVE: Dem lawmaker says Biden to run for White House https://t.co/7syQePHcsh pic.twitter.com/ZEqCPeqq1q

— The Hill (@thehill) March 12, 2019

let's get ready to criiiiiiiinge

biden v trump

is this a presidential election or an "america's handsiest man" contest?

initially read that as "handsomest" and almost smashed that FP button

If Biden runs, it's a three way contest between him, Sanders and Harris. If he doesn't run it's Sanders in a landslide. Is how I see it.

Warren is still in it.

That WaPo article about the Beto documentary at sxsw was not a good look for him.

I figured Biden wouldn't be able to resist given the poll numbers. But my lord are there about a million things to legitimately attack him for.

Everything is going to be exhausting and a waste of time and money. America 2020!

Yang beginning to get more traction

It looks like Andrew Yang will make the debates so it's probably time to consider him a "major" candidate. We're going to do a theory-of-the-case for him, as we have for other major 2020 candidates. https://t.co/n7vbSLdMXw

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) March 12, 2019

Hope he goes far enough to influence the debate, only interesting choice besides the obvious two of warren/bernie

I know lots of people here and on lefty Twitter love to shit on the Pod Save guys but I think they're generally pretty good. However, I reserve the right to flip-flop on that position if Beto announces his candidacy and they go fully in the tank for him, as I fear they might.

I don't have enough room in my brain for this Yang dude with all these other candidates. someone linked to his campaign page here I think and a cursory glance seemed promising, but then I see yesterday that he's rubbed shoulders a few times with the alt-right and Fucker Carlson.

maybe biden and beto could run together as father and son creep team

I see yesterday that he's rubbed shoulders a few times with the alt-right and Fucker Carlson.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j),

Depends on your take on the merits of going on fox etc. I think its a good idea, especially for a smaller candidate, all votes count

"I denounce and disavow hatred, bigotry, racism, white nationalism, anti-Semitism and the alt-right in all its many forms. Full stop. For anyone with this agenda, we do not want your support. We do not want your votes. You are not welcome in this campaign.”"

Yang's statement

who the hell's Andrew Yang

They ran a grid of all the Dem candidates on the Daily Show last night? (including a pic of Tyrion Lannister) and we were both like, who's that asian guy?

I believe the correct phrasing is: who da fuq is andrew yang

Taiwan reprezent.

dropping this condensed block of posts here with for my own future reference with zero enthusiasm

my thinking since early 2017 was that the 2020 Dem ticket would be Biden/Warren but i guess Beto/Harris is the new fashionable bet
i mean biden would be 82 at the end of his first term but maybe that's an actual selling point
i have a hard time believing the dems are going to double down on a female nominee in the face of a second term of Trump
but of course, I (and everyone else) don't know anything about anything in this brave new world and every assumption that was bedrock crumbles in unexpected new ways virtually every day
happy new year

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, December 31, 2018 6:23 PM

well, you did use "double down"

https://i.imgur.com/2JqLfYl.gif

I like Yang’s Local Journalism Fund idea. American Mall Act seems weird but sure, why not? https://www.yang2020.com/policies/american-mall-act/

xp i think presenting a democratic party candidate that is a woman in 2020 would be considered doubling down! i think it's entirely possible that a considerable amount of americans - and possibly a plurality - hate and distrust women more than they hate and distrust trump! it's really fucked up!

(I am not in the YangGang I just looked at his website last night)

"entirely possible"

hope springs eternal

Oh man, I've been talking about what to do with empty malls for years. It's weird that those spaces have never been repurposed/taken over for community open spaces.

The one mall i frequented so much as a teenager, I got drunk one night and outlined what certain areas and timeslots were designated for (continuuing ed classrooms, daycare to preschool to K, sr citizen mile walkway.)

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/joe-biden-beau-2016-214459

I somehow missed that Biden leaked the "dying wish" story himself

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1kPYl2WoAI9Pon.jpg:large

"One Love. One Heart. Let's get together and feel all right." - Andrew Yang

hey little girl is your daddy home?
did he go away and leave you all alone?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1kZdPhVYAA8c4a.jpg:small

LOL. That poor dog.