2020 Democratic presidential primary

Huh.

Yeah, I am stoked for a President Sanders or a President Warren.

legislation that would prohibit platforms from both offering a marketplace for commerce and participating in that marketplace.

Does this mean that e.g. Amazon couldn't sell AmazonBasics products on its marketplace website?

i imagine they'd have to split their product-making arm off as a separate business. like the Bell breakup, which divorced western electric (the entity that made all the phones and wires) from AT&T. or the hollywood studios having to sever from their respective theater chains. different situations in several ways, but it wouldn't put us in uncharted waters i don't think.

Tbc, it sounded reasonable; just checking that I was understanding it right.

shes trying to place a volcker rule on them too.

even if Warren doesn't win the nomination, I hope her relentless injection of good ideas into the Dem mainstream will have a lifting-all-boats effect. hell, you could probably argue it's hurting her actual individual campaign to have so many relatively concrete proposals on the record, such is the deeply depressing nature of 21st century politics.

how i'd rank candidates' chances of winning the primary currently

Biden > Sanders > Harris > Booker > Warren > miscellaneous cipher

I like Liz Warren and I will probably vote for her in the primary

xp god I hope you're wrong about Biden

Biden is a nonstarter

he will be Anita Hill'd 24/7

he'll be a Hillary type candidate who will soak up primary votes and leave the general in utter precariousness

Biden supporters want everyone to stop bitching all the time so they can live out the rest of their life in peace.

I hope that if Biden gets into the race, Obama doesn't immediately put his thumb on the scale for him. I kind of doubt he would do that, especially not early on, but I think it could have a big impact if he did.

granted this polling data is extremely limited, but it looks like if Biden's in a pretty good spot, as long as he doesn't follow the trajectory of Jeb!: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/democratic_nomination_polls/

the establishment seems to be backing Booker & Harris (and Klololbuchar): https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-endorsements/democratic-primary/

obv it's still very early in the game & i desperately want someone smarter than me to tell me i'm wrong and that it's gonna be liz & bernie all the way

^ i mean that earnestly

Obama didn't forbid Biden from running in 2016, but he noticeably didn't encourage it either. I suspect he has even less reason to do for 2020. Obama will probably be entirely hands off this primary until the convention.

i thought obama was a booker guy

If Biden doesn't run, I could see him backing Harris full tilt.

But yeah, more likely he stays out as an active participant and sticks to Netflix or whatever

Yeah, he's got a history with Harris. She was in contention for AG post-Holder until she withdrew herself by intimating she was gonna run for Boxer's seat.

I'm not crazy about Harris but I have to say if I was playing Let's Make a Deal and I could either have Harris in the bank or take my chances with what's behind door number 3, and standing on the other side might be Warren, Sanders, or Biden, I would possibly just take the bird in the hand in that scenario, that's how much Biden sucks.

lol I like Warren but she just lost California

She was gonna lose California in the primary anyway because Harris. She'd do ok in the general were she the nominee.

that’s a low bar lol

This is the kind of proposal that I’d cheer from her as a Senator. But as a presidential candidate I fear she’s getting over her skis a bit.

That proposal is kind of a duh moment that no one had tried to do it before. But it makes perfect sense now. We should be treating these huge monolithic tech companies more like investment banks especially since they have accumulated so much information on individuals. I would want me info treated like material non-public information where it shouldn't be distributed or viewed between entities without my consent. Amazon shouldn't be the platform and the product and the marketmaker and the bank all under one roof.

She isn’t over her skis. She is probably has the most comrpehensive understanding of regulatory policy of anyone in the Senate.

xp

I agree, if Congress is going to craft legislation on this issue it’s going to be a very complex process and I’d like to see her there working on it. I don’t see this as a winner in a presidential contest though.

max gets into it here

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/elizbeth-warrens-plan-to-break-up-big-tech-detailed.html

I know "the overton window" is an overused concept/phrase but

.@Hickenlooper repeatedly won't say he identifies as a capitalist under quizzing by @Morning_Joe. @JoeNBC was distressed in the next segment, to say the least pic.twitter.com/Z1Tvkg2PFS

— David Rutz (@DavidRutz) March 8, 2019

Nobody should “identify as a capitalist” anyway, nobody really “is” a capitalist

i mean, people who draw their income from control of capital and speculation on its value are, by definition, right?

yeah, there definitely are capitalists. but most people who self-describe as such don't qualify

and of course you could say the same of most self described -ists so the question is dumb to begin with. but I can't imagine, say, Biden hesitating on this one

Hickenlooper absolutely is a capitalist, he ran a very successful Brewery before entering politics and has courted a ton of oil and development money into Colorado during his tenure as Governor, choosing not to play along with dumb liberal word games because of the predictable backlash to saying anything other than exactly what the prompter wants you to say is the only option you have given ppl so.. congrats

i mean, people who draw their income from control of capital and speculation on its value are, by definition, right?

― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, March 8, 2019 12:48 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in a demographic or positive sense, but like ideological capitalists if they could be said to exist do not seem to me to figure into the explanation of how capitalism does itself.

lol I didn't know anything about Hickenlooper's background. that makes it an exceptionally pathetic reach. xp

i think we're talking about the difference between like, capitalism and capitalism-ism. but we only have the one word.

fair enough, I'm just like equally bemused by people calling themselves capitalists and by people who blame capitalism on capitalists

? think yr confused, ppl participate in capitalism all the time. 'socialists' are the ones who don't have to do anything to identify as such.

i missed this conversation by several hours but my gut tells me that biden has absolutely no chance of going anywhere in this primary, if he chooses to run. as usually, i believe that i could be completely wrong. but notwithstanding polls which show him up a bit compared to other contenders, it just seems completely wrong and i can't imagine everyone uniting around him before uniting around a number of other candidates. he's polling high based on name recognition, first and foremost.

I agree, there are a dozen obvious things that can and would quickly sink him in a general. The only thing that could keep him afloat would be a huge amount of Dem party infrastructure and media support. And even then, it would take *a lot* to keep his negatives at bay.

really? seems to me that he’d probably crush trump; his biggest obstacle is likely getting past the primaries

That focus group of African American women in SC, posted by Alfred upthread, made me think that he has more going for him than just name recognition. On the other hand, it's mostly just positive feelings toward Obama. I'm not sure that goes very far when the spotlight is on Biden himself. It's also kind of crazy to me that Biden is old enough that the first time he ran for president was 30+ years ago.

http://ronwade.freeservers.com/2017Cause-1x22.jpg

really? seems to me that he’d probably crush trump; his biggest obstacle is likely getting past the primaries

How would he do this, exactly? He's explicitly pro-billionaires and his ethical/voting record is trash, not to mention his habit of getting handsy with women on camera. Obama nostalgia is only so powerful.

What's the narrative to a Biden run? "Remember before?" I don't think that's good enough to galvanize voters enough to beat an incumbent, even if it is Trump.

I think Biden would have beaten Trump in 2016 (in the sense that anyone with a more positive profile than Clinton probably would have) but the moment passed him by.

How would he do this, exactly? He's explicitly pro-billionaires and his ethical/voting record is trash, not to mention his habit of getting handsy with women on camera. Obama nostalgia is only so powerful.

― Simon H., Saturday, March 9, 2019 2:37 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the people who care about these things vote in the democratic primaries, is the point I think

His Narrative is that he's not brown, female, or Trump.