"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

hmmm

the fishing community ambivalence to the european project goes back quite a ways, to CAP- where uk and ireland fishing rights and quota tonnage were traded for the benefit of payouts to farmers. the move utterly devastated fishing commmunities over the next two decades so its probably impossible to take that out of consideration.

and yeah look farmers are just killers waiting for the excuse, theyre a different type imo.

yeah but how actually big are these fishing communities? In comparison to the damage done everywhere else or the cast of Geordie Shore even.

Not as big as they used to, let's put it that way.

small boats wouldve been a major contributor to every size of town and village along the entire coast, and more than a few decent sized towns relied heavily on that trade

cant earn a living at it now on that scale, and the quota mainly all gone to corporate trawlers

its more that its been a betrayal held bitterly close for decades at this stage, rather than anything you could even defend rationally. but if you were writing a bad article on it youd maybe finish on a line as trite as "for the small fisherman of the north ...their brexit came long ago"

anyways i still lolled at yermans admission that hed voted for it and him probably fishing half the time in eu waters....good luck with how that goes, buck

let's send john harris to fraserburgh to sort it out

Sending anyone to Fraserburgh is an act of unconscionable cruelty.

well it's not anyone, it's john harris

the English fishermen definitely seemed like the biggest set of cunts in the two recent scallop wars in French waters. Just football hooligans in boats basically, which is partly why I'm glad the mostly heinous bunch of seafaring arseholes got completely stitched up by the brexit campaign.

Even the Scottish supported Brexit, iirc.

Scottish fishermen, that is.

a small self-interest group thinking brexit will magically take their industry back to the good old days (and being dumb enough to believe Boris) is not a look that engenders much sympathy.

my impression from talking to West Country farmers a couple of years before Brexit (purple UKIP plaquards up everywhere) was one of ignorance plus concern for their business (self interest if you like). It’s more toxic than it sounds tho. Any administrative overhead (in this case inoculating against bovine TB) bore the imprimatur of the EU, which bred ongoing resentment, despite inoculation being a sensible rule that any country would have put in place. The “shoot the badgers” counter narrative was in this respect a good example of a rural/government division (which it was) where government included the EU.

I have a relative who's a vegetable farmer in the midlands, he voted remain fwiw. he does support the badger cull though

another cobbled together heuristic bites the dust.

Farmers and self-interest, comes as a package. Small business people, basically.

when you listen to the fuckers on the R4 farming program you'd think they never make a penneth and are in a constant struggle for survival.

I have been thoroughly convinced by the narrative that farms make zero money and are only in it to continue our nation's yeoman heritage

I think a lot of them do struggle to survive, hence why they are forever blowing their brains out with the shotguns they conveniently have lying around. They are prize whingers though.

a quite wealthy electrical contractor uncle of mine sacked off the electrical game and bought a farmhouse in Beverley with 40 acres or something. The guy is a fucking hard-bitten shark who is the type to look under his bed for pennies and any sleep he has lost, so I assume he didn't just suddenly develop a love of honestly tilling the soil for the pure love of being a noble yeoman - helping to feed the nation etc. I suppose it is a safe investment and you get a certain amount of respectability with the local gammonocracy. His daughter got married to one of the local gammons so he's made in Beverley now. But I bet those EU farming subsidies make life quite bearable.

Having to live in the middle of fucking nowhere obv. contributes to the high suicide rate tbf.

I can't think why they'd get depressed when they've got Gove looking out for them.

im sure there is some way to tackle the issue of vast natural resources in private ownership not generating income enough to avoid a bullet im not sure european grants is it and im not sure that rabid fucker from countryfile is the man for the job either

Beverley's not the middle of nowhere tbh altho last time I was there I paid over £4 for a pint so it might as well be

it's been on the up since Luke Perry put it on the map!

iirc (and tbh I know basically nothing about this) the CAP subsidies are v skewed towards big land-owners (aka big Tory donors?), so I'm led to believe it's still hard to make a living as a smallholder or someone who works land they don't own - but either way they're pretty far down my sympathy scale after all the terrible political opinions I've seen expressed via giant banners on the edge of fields

I didn't know that fishermen were shafted in the UK/Ireland CAP talks but it doesn't surprise me. Then the major UK fishing quota holders sold their quotas to foreign companies and we elected Nigel Farage to be our fisheries "representative" and not turn up to any votes - but it's definitely all the EU's fault...

in other news I just opened about 20 UK news/politics tabs and the headlines to all of them are so depressing I don't think I can even

somebody cheer me up, please (not the right thread for that, is it?)

tho I did get half a smile out of seeing this again after she pulled the finance vote y/day because of an anti-tax avoidance amendment that looked likely to pass:

TM: “As Prime Minister, I will crack down on individual and corporate tax avoidance and tax evasion.” #TM4PM

— Theresa May (@theresa_may) July 11, 2016

think the traditional narrative - certainly the one my grandmother used to peddle, a consequence of the vast field systems of norfolk and suffolk, was “you never see a poor farmer - you should see the cars they drive”. Pastoral farming a v different kettle of ball games ofc.

well your living being your actual life is a thing but.....

industrialised farming is the #1 reason for britain's crashing biodiversity. fuck anyone who contributes to this

also full disclosure we bought all the quota so i should come clean on that

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Well, I don’t agree with that approach. We had a very robust referendum campaign, in which claims were made, and indeed exaggerated claims were made on both sides of the debate. That is what happens, not just in referendums but in general elections. British people are quite smart enough to be able to listen to the claims made by politicians in these situations and make their own judgment. And they made a decision.

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There's a fella walking around London who had AIDS a few years ago and doesn't now? (As regards cheering news)

the state of this prick:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/05/journalist-makes-police-complaint-about-tommy-robinson

Also good news: May has had to concede that there is, of course, a link between police numbers and violent crime. Not that it will make a difference but doing my best here.

Not sure that is good news. Labour pushing on police cuts strikes a chord with a lot of voters but it's not necessarily a great policy. By and large, the police do not stop crime and frontline numbers had been inflated for years by successive governments. The police 'preventing stabbings' segues very easily into things like stop and search, which is hugely racialised.

The bigger issues, and the ones Labour needs to keep hammering, are cuts to youth services, the scrapping of EMA, precarious employment, etc.

That's entirely otm.

This prob belongs in another thread but I can't get a clear grasp on the why of the surge in knife crime tbh.

in one word: austerity

also kids trafficking drugs (which is tied up with austerity too)

In combination with the fact that the Mayor of London stopped being a Tory.

The murder rate in London, aiui, hasn't shifted that much. With a couple of outliers, it has been in the 110-130 range for most of the last ten years, which is way, way down on where it was in the early 00s. What's changed, more than anything else, is that you have a local press determined to pin all the deaths they'd have previously ignored on Khan.

xp notably an English phenomenon too (Birmingham is seeing a lot of violence lately), Scotland has pioneered an epidemiological approach to combating knife crime, with positive results: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/14/scotland-knife-crime-public-health-issue-violence-uk

no it’s drill

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/847818629840228354/VXyQHfn0_bigger.jpg

The Glasgow approach is excellent and should be a model for everyone else.

I'm given to understand there's very little resourcing available for any kind of proactive community policing left, which might help prevent some crimes or at least give police an idea of the warning signs.

If the murder rate is down on the early 00s, has the proportion/number of teenage victims gone up?

It's a good question and i haven't seen any stats but you definitely had a lot of reporting between 2000 and 2007 on a perceived wave of teen murders.

There's a theory that, as the penalties for possession of guns and knives had statutory minimums imposed, gangs increasingly made juvenile members carry weapons so adults, who would get the full whack if caught, didn't have to.

It was very common for teenagers in the late 90s to carry blades for 'self-defense' ime.

If the graphs on BBC are right (Home Office source) actual homicide by knife (in England and Wales) hasn't changed much compared to the early-mid 00s where it jumped up by 50-60 from a few years at around 200. That it reached a 20 year low just four years ago is as interesting as the recent spike.

As ever the Mail can fuck off with their "blood-soaked streets" virtual glee.