"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

the inspiration group.

Idly wondering if the prospect of a second referendum would spook enough Tories to get a Labour Brexit amendment over the line, but I haven't thought about that for more than ten seconds.

It does feel like the leadership have been backing away from the conference motion in the last month or two and the events of the last week might have focused things and tilted the balance in a few shadow cabinet battles. But it's May's determination to remove all other options that has brought us here.

Waiting for FBPE-ers to thank Corbyn for finally committing to a 2nd ref - but they'll probably complain its done as the last option.

yeah they really fail to see beyond the end of their own noses

They are institutionally anti-Corbyn.

how often do any of us give our political opponents credit?

There's no majority in the Commons for a second referendum. There *might* be one for the Cooper amendment now but even that looks shaky.

So a second referendum probably isn't going to happen *as has been the case all along* but it's now harder for Corbyn's opponents to pin the blame for Brexit on him - and they were definitely planning on trying to Ramsay McDonald him. I don't think it would have succeeded but the younger Labour supporters I know have definitely been losing patience with him.

The question now is what happen if all the amendments fail, in which case it's back to May's brinkshmanship again.

BREAKING : Shadow Foreign Secretary @EmilyThornberry confirms Labour will back a Deal or Remain referendum and will campaign to Remain in the EU if it’s alternative Brexit plan is rejected.

— Krishnan Guru-Murthy (@krishgm) February 25, 2019

It is an obvious attempt to sabotage the most successful campaign in British history with Corbyn's toxic brand. We must have been just hours away from stopping brexit. Devastated.

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) February 25, 2019

lol

haha

remain v skeptical about the prospects for a second referendum but this will boil TIG piss so has constructive support

Peak authentocrat? Feel like should poll who was least up for *cheeky Nandos*

First @TheIndGroup meal out before votes tonight at Nando’s! pic.twitter.com/Qxdrk75Mx6

— Chuka Umunna (@ChukaUmunna) February 25, 2019

TIG are currently bringing their shit dinner party vibe to a branch of Nando’s.

Berger unimpressed by today's special

This. Is. Not. A. New. Announcement. And yet there are just 23 working days to go until #Brexit.

— Luciana Berger (@lucianaberger) February 25, 2019

why tell on yourself like that

labour policy forum opened today btw - would encourage any labour members itt to participate.

I love all these fake photo ops from a group with as many clear divisions as this crowd has.

Many of whom have obv never been in a Nando's before

I loved the comment about Angela Smith looking annoyed that free drinking water is available.

This is going to turn out to be one of those sitcoms about lol BBC corporate culture that I never watch isn't it?

There's no majority in the Commons for a second referendum.

All votes are contextual - you're completely right right now, but now isn't March 12, with May's vote defeated yet again, and after another fortnight of job losses.

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-michael-gove-ministers-to-hold-emergency-meeting-over-no-deal-chaos-2019-2?r=US&IR=T

Wow, wow wow wow.

The UK government is due to hold emergency talks with industry leaders today after discovering that the country doesn't have the right pallets to continue exporting goods to the European Union if it crashes out without a deal next month.

Pallets are wooden or plastic structures which companies use to transport large volumes of goods. Under strict European Union rules, pallets arriving from non-member countries must be heat-treated or cleaned to prevent contamination, and marked to confirm they meet a series of EU rules.

Most pallets currently used by British exporters do not conform to these rules meaning that British export business could potentially grind to a halt next month in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Imagine being in the meeting when someone realised this for the first time.

This is probably the most mundane bureaucratic detail imaginable but its the sort of thing that could kill the very idea of No Deal stone dead.

loool

i wonder how many hundreds of other, similarly critically-important aspects of trade have been totally overlooked

'Hitler Realises They Don't Have The Right Pallets To Export To The EU After Brexit'

#FollowBackPalletEU

it was regional pallet differentiation that brought down the Roman Empire iirc

Making no deal seem even more unpalletable.

if they'd only brushed up with The Hardest Wooden Pallet Quiz In The World:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3F5hYfDvBH5tTD7SRhnq8pK/the-hardest-wooden-pallet-quiz-in-the-world

or indeed this podcast history of wooden pallets, with special attention to the European standard(s):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05xltbh

my next door neighbour made a paddling pool in his garden out of pallets last summer, amazing what you can achieve if you dare to dream!

building paddling pools out of pallets is the kind of blatant disregard for health and safety regulations that will allow post-brexit britain to thrive once more on the world stage iirc

"As long as we send a gunboat with every pallet no-one should give us any lip"

Not sure if I missed it itt but there's movement for May as well - this morning it was "If the meaningful vote on the plan fails, a vote in parliament between no deal and a delay" (which would already enrage the ERG) and now she might just rule out no deal. Though the last may just be someone in Reuters not reading the first story closely.

this pallet bombshell is obviously what led to may blinking over no deal

the pallet or the bullet

as predicted, farage exhorting his troops to boycott any may’s deal Vs remain referendum

Be big LOLs if May shafts the ERG.

pour me a big glass of rees-mogg tears, i'm parched

radix is latin for radish

interesting thread. worth clicking through for the discussion

While we're pitching up in our referendum camps, I'll stick my flag in the bit that says a referendum without a No Deal option would be widely perceived (not entirely unfairly) as a cataclysmic betrayal of democracy by the political establishment & would be a long-term disaster.

— Ally Fogg (@AllyFogg) February 26, 2019

I think the interesting discussion is actually linked to the second tweet in ally’s thread. I am bad at online

what happens if all three of these votes fail

away goals then penalties

jelly wrestling on the floor of the commons

xxxp That's this one:

There's only one sensible structure for a referendum. Two questions:

A/ Do you want to 1. Remain or 2. Leave the EU.
B/ If a majority of the UK votes to Leave, should that be with 1. May's Deal or 2. No Deal.

— Ally Fogg (@AllyFogg) February 26, 2019

(as you can see (and you probably already all know) I disagree)

Oh Lord, she just said ‘simples!’ at the dispatch box *bangs head against pavement*

Did the MPs all fall about laughing?

ffs!

something something meerkat something something market oligarch something something putin

am I a bad person for instinctively thinking '1. remain 2. no deal' is the correct vote there