US Politics February 2019: This is one of the great losers of all time.

There's a Agnieszka Holland movie (Mr. Jones) out in 2019 about the Ukranian famines of the 1930s under Soviet rule. The Left of the 1930s, including many journalists, willfully ignored it at the time.

I see a parallel situation with Venezuela, today. Certainly external sanctions have contributed to the hardship of Venezuelans, but the grab for power by the Venezuelan military junta is a black mark for the Left.

― The feminine side of (Sanpaku), 25. februar 2019 00:13 (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Looool I saw this one a few weeks back, and it's just xyzzz in a nutshell. He would so be Walter Duranty.

Looool the other sock controlled by my sockmaster just got banned but I'm gonna keep shitposting with impunity

― Frederik B, Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:43 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark

I mean: Bet you anything the landowners are hoarding food.

If you are going to bring in some scenario straight out of the 1930s famine playbook...There are people starving but the reasons are far more complicated than what can be offered by The Guardian or Amnestry. I read your posts on the Burning thread you can't even cope with ambiguities in the film I hardly think you can judge what might be going on in Venezuela.

xyzzzz: I'd agree 100% that Trump and Elliot Abrams are cunts, and I want neither to have any part in deciding Venezuela policy.

After 8 years of largely hands-off policy during the Obama administration, the situation in Venezuela still deteriorated. The suffering of the Venezuelan people isn't primarily due to external factors. It's partly "Dutch disease" from being a single commodity exporter, but mostly inept economics from Caracas.

I've been a spectator to this slow slide into social collapse for over a decade. I don't see how it will right itself from external pressure. Intervention would only lead to a decades long insurgency. I do know that things will get a lot worse over the next few years, and that only some pragmatic government accountable to the people would stop it. I wish Guaidó was a centrist/pragmatist rather than on the Right. But I do think that supporting democracy is always better than supporting those who would take from a position of power. And right now, the military junta surrounding Maduro is that position of power.

― The feminine side of (Sanpaku), Monday, 25 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Unfortunately being a democrat is leading you into supporting Guaido -- wishing he was a pragmatist -- and I'm sorry to tell you but pragmatists in the UK have brutalised and killed the poor and disabled here with benefit sanctions. Pragmatism is something that doesn't work for the people who need it the most. What would work would be a lift of sanctions and allowing the movement to continue and the internal debate within it to work out a solution.

All I'm saying is you may not know what to think of it on partial info (like me too) and that's fine we are all outside of the country and we won't have to live with the consequences of any actions.

What would work would be a lift of sanctions and allowing the movement to continue and the internal debate within it to work out a solution.

Just... lol.

Laughing all the way to imperialism, intervention and civil war.

You really don't think everyone sees through your 'I know nothing, you know nothing, it's all ambiguous' act, when in the same breath you're declaring that Maduro is going to sort it all out of he just gets the chance?

I read your posts on the Burning thread you can't even cope with ambiguities in the film I hardly think you can judge what might be going on in Venezuela.

this was a good burn tho

lol, 'burn'.

I am not saying Maduro sorts it I am saying the movement that bought Chavez and Maduro to power sort it. That you saw me as backing Maduro only is useful as you don't see social movements, only grand actors. Tells me all I need to know about your politics. xps

I dislike the murder of women being reduced to 'ambiguities', though, he is right about that.

I am not saying Maduro sorts it I am saying the movement that bought Chavez and Maduro to power sort it.

― xyzzzz__, 25. februar 2019 11:43 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This does not in any way make it better.

why not? Don't you like democracy?

I dislike the murder of women being reduced to 'ambiguities', though, he is right about that.

― Frederik B, Monday, 25 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Someone google translate this into Danish it might make more sense.

'The movement' lost the last democratic election 56%-41%. Though I guess that result is really complex and ambiguous and really only people who live in Venezuela can figure out which number is bigger...

Its where you look for your info. Maduro won 68% of the vote on a low turnout. Even with those numbers the 56% doesn't account for how fractured the opposition is -- they are only united by their hatred of Maduro.

So not only can't you cope with ambiguity you can't look up more than one source in the first place.

lol ofc in the Venezuela thread Fred was all 40% support means nothing. That's the level of bullshit this guy is on.

That vote wasn't democratic, I'm talking 2015 election to the National Assembly. If you wasn't so stupid, it wouldn't be quite as complex.

Its not democratic when you don't get the result you want seems to be the vibe here.

Sadlol. Well, it's pointless to try and influence what vibe you get from anything. Like trying to convince a dog the cat on the tv isn't real.

Here is a sad lol from the UK thread. You are an amusing fella. Like I said, its good you aren't very ambitious

Um, I can easily imagine plenty of scenarios where May nukes Moscow?

― Frederik B, Thursday, 17 January 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And it doesn't even matter, even if both Maduro and the National Assembly were democratically legitimate, it would still be thick as shit to claim 'the movement' could handle the economic crisis through democratic means. With a supermajority against them in the legislature, no, any 'movement' is dead and would have to compromise.

It's like trying to teach a child about subtraction, and it's just yelling 'can't be done', 'you're stupid' and flinging feces everywhere.

this is a wonderfully productive discussion, and i for one am glad you're having it here itt

this thread is ideal

the two lads should only be allowed address each other itt tbh

Reducing democracy and complex social relations to saying its as simple as subtraction is very telling of the liberal mindset at play here.

I'm literally trying to get you to understand 56 is larger than 41.

lol and I am trying to tell you what's behind the numbers, and that you are not to be trusted on even that.

No, seriously, tell me, what was behind those numbers?

SV in the Venezuela thread told you a lot about what's behind those numbers. you called him stupid and inane but maybe start re-reading those and please do so carefully.

lol

You like laughing more than doing work in trying to understand. That's fine but don't go on like you know anything.

this is a wonderfully productive discussion, and i for one am glad you're having it here itt

― he protec, he attac, but most importantly, he dmac (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

love a bit of ilxing during quiet work hours I am glad you are enjoying it BG

That pathetic copout was the last straw, I'll just killfile the piece of shit and be done with it.

what's the copout? SV patiently took you through it and you showered him with abuse. You only deserve one liners, and US intervention in *checks notes* Copenhagen

Does killfile mean I laugh and mock your posts and you don't see it? Sounds great to me.

god morgen!

Holy shit, I got it to work :)

ban euros from the us politics thread

build the wahhhl

:D

xyzzz isn't a euro btw

so Harry Reid said some things

ban euros from the us politics thread

― you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison)

can we make this guy a mod already?

Harry Reid somehow managed to be wholly dismissive of Trump while still sounding mild-mannered and rather polite. That's a talent.

xpost sitewide mod imo

I'm waiting for m bison to finish his posters and hang them up in the school's front hallway so I can appreciate his lettering, artwork and the originality of his slogan, before I decide how I'm casting my vote. But if La Lechera throws her hat into the ring, she's a shoo-in.

no mods, no masters

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I thought most sociopaths were boring, though