the alt-right

that guy is definitely supposed to be the left

and/or a concentration camp prisoner

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Turnining Point USA

snake eating its own tail usa

Started reading Alt America: The Rise of the Radical Right in the Age of Trump. Starts off with a harrowing account of Dylann Roof; didn't realize he'd spent an hour talking religion with the people he was about to kill. ("Roof later told the police that he nearly called off his plan because everyone 'was so nice to him.'")

Very circumspect when reading this in public because of the cover.

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wasn't sure where to post this, but this is a (by internet standards) deep-ish dive into a particular manifestation of the horseshoe theory that i thought was interesting

https://hummusforthought.com/2018/03/16/the-multipolar-spin-how-fascists-operationalize-left-wing-resentment/

"The Multipolar Spin: How Fascists Operationalize Left-wing Resentment"

Rogan giving Alex Jones air time again today.

The "I Don't Speak German" podcast is still going strong. I highly recommend the Cantwell and Southern Nationalist episodes.

http://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/website

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/03/owner-of-maga-friendly-yelp-knockoff-threatens-to-call-fbi-after-researcher-exposes-security-holes/

A friend of mine who teaches English informs me that one of his colleagues systematically assigns 12 Rules for Life. Are any of its pieces of advice even remotely useful aside perhaps from 'clean your room' (and even that one is debatable)?

no

Not even 'Do not bother children when they are skateboarding'?

I think the rules themselves are unobjectionable self-help stuff - maybe too vague to carry any meaning.

It's everything around them that's toxic and terrible.

though tbf not every cat you meet on the street is pettable and you might very well be in for a well deserved scratching injury if you ignore that

I was just about to say. But yeah, the 12 rules themselves come off as fairly innocuous. I have no interest in finding out about their supposed corollaries, though.

what kind of english class is this?
12 rules is not well-written nor is it remotely engaging but yeah i assume people can read it and not come away with the impression that jp is a stalking horse for fascism. i thought it was like bart simpson's guide to life, compiled by a hired writing staff, a crass tie-in for completist fans / given as a gift to adolescent sons by distant fathers, .

rule #69: don't have a cow man!!!!!
rule #70: eat nothing but cows
rule #71: you should be able to marry that cow even if she hasnt reached age of majority

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohl-faked-death-threats-against-himself

would be cool to see this get 0.001% of the attention that Jussie Smollett got

"clean your room" is code for "don't complain about how the world works unless your track record is spiffy clean" and is used to justify ad hominem attacks on the left

Turns out the exact rule is 'Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world' (I assume the 'clean your room' line is featured in this most august of sections). Anyway, that's obviously quite rich coming from him.

Your house isn't in perfect order until you've stuffed your fridge to the brim with ribs and sirloins.

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i think it's more about... personal responsibility? how can you complain about the prevailing social order that has you working a zero hour contract job and struggling to pay the minimum on your student loan when you haven't even wrung the best possible performance out of yourself, when you haven't done jack shit except complain. use your time ironing your shirts and putting your magic the gathering cards in a binder and brushing up your resume to apply for a retail management trainee job instead of trying to change a system that you have no hope of changing.

Must the two be mutually exclusive? (They are for him, I know.) Leaving personality responsibility to the right has always seemed a losing move to me.

*personal responsibility, although we're also responsible for our personalities.

sure. i rarely see "personal responsibility" used to mean anything but self-reliance and stop whining.
let's take back personal responsibility and cleaning our rooms in 2019.

friends, can i promote here a piece i wrote on reactionary chinese internet celebrities
https://supchina.com/2019/03/13/chinas-intellectual-dark-web-and-its-most-active-fanatic/

That is a great piece. Reminding me first of all to read SupChina more often, I’ve fallen out of the Sino sphere somewhat.

That map! I’m surprised the Chinese government let him get away with this nonsense for so long.

Also had never heard about those 80s coup movements, where can I go to find out more (in English)? Calling yourself the heavenly kingdom, even without going the whole hog and appending 太平, seems like some next level crazy branding for a rebellion.

Turns out the exact rule is 'Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world' (I assume the 'clean your room' line is featured in this most august of sections). Anyway, that's obviously quite rich coming from him.

― pomenitul

when i worked shelving books at a library, i was very bad at my job, because i took time out and browsed through all the books in the self-help section, 158.1. and i found that every self help book is bad for one of two reasons: either the advice it gives is obvious to the extent that it is banal and pointless, or the advice it gives is flatly wrong. the only book in that entire section that did not fall into one of those two categories (or both at once) was a book called "crip zen", which was a self help book which advised the reader to move to mexico and smoke copious amounts of marijuana. i have yet to do this but you can bet your ass that i bought a copy of that book.

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thanks ed. those 80s coup groups, the stories are unbelievable, have lengthy baidu articles about them, and those two i named are two of six or seven plots that came out in the 80s with local cults and regional gangsters trying to split away, but the only english language source i could find for those was a book called china wakes: struggle for the soul of a rising power which is out of print, nicholas kristof going on to fame for writing about things other than china.

most of these reactionary chinese guys now, like liu zhongjing, were mostly posting about how much they hated leftists and feminists, which is fair game, and waited to get overseas before getting on the separatism stuff.

a self help book which advised the reader to move to mexico and smoke copious amounts of marijuana

That does indeed sound like better advice than the usual fare, although I've never been able to thoroughly enjoy getting high, alas. The only self-help book I've read (and tbf I haven't read many) that I didn't flat-out hate was The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck, maybe because it does a slightly better job of speaking to the anxiety-ridden, nihilistic shambles in me than its sugarcoating competitors. I'd rather just reread Cioran, though.

I wonder if some alt righters might find cioran a bit of a revelation

They'd skip his mature output altogether and cut straight to the fash juvenilia.

That said, his later works are hardly free from reactionary elements, as regards women in particular.

i feel like "intellectual dark web" and particularly "black pill" types would love cioran. i also don't think they would necessarily understand how _funny_ cioran is.

not that /lit/ is uniformly alt-right men but they have definitely discovered cioran
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That's a rather… broad definition of 'right-wing literature'.

for my legionaries, a hayek book, evola, pat buchanan, the unabomber, spengler... an intellectual buffet

As a side note, I do find it amusing how Cioran's self-styled 'E. M.', which he fabricated to imitate writers such as E. M. Forster or T. S. Eliot, still graces the covers of his English translations to this day. Emil had no middle name.

I love that they include Kurt Vonnegut but have a little asterisk "just read the one that flatters your anti-egalitarian stance, don't accidentally read anything about how war is stupid and evil and western civilization is kind of a joke"

a more general /lit/ nonfic recommendations list
https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading/Non-fiction
cioran gets in there too but a different and obscure? book

A "Nietzschean" tag and no actual Nietzsche

That list isn't half bad tbh. Lyn Hejinian is on it!

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A&A is a collection of essays and stories, which could serve ok as a general introduction to Cioran I suppose xxp

A "Nietzschean" tag and no actual Nietzsche

They're referring to Elisabeth Nietzsche iirc.

also isnt "harrison bergeron" supposed to be a satire of rand?

they included emet ve-emunah (principles of conservative judaism) but if they wanted reactionary religious jewish works i could've hooked them up with stuff that made a lot more sense!