2020 Democratic presidential primary

splitters innit

i'm not sure if americans realise 1) how much helpful editing opeds get in good opinion sections in the US to make them at least read well, even if they're garbage 2) how non-edited the vast majority of the guardian's output is.

Op eds are psy ops. They just want to piss people off and drive “engagement.”

“Are poor people important or are women?” as if these are different categories.

Except Bernie has been bungling when he tries to talk about anyone other than his "ordinary american" who are somehow not inclusive of those other categories.

It was this moment of his: https://www.theroot.com/why-some-black-and-brown-people-cant-trust-bernie-sande-1820017450

although I also have a grudge with him that he would support an anti-choice candidate.

Then that’s an issue of him bungling, it’s not an issue of his campign sparking the question of whether the democratic party should oppose racial injustice or economic injustice, which isn’t a question because the answer is both.

I’m not really defending bernie (maybe a littl) more the premises of that op ed, which seems like it’s trying to purposefully sharpen divisions among the left because that kind of content is viral.

Badly phrased but still

Oh, I couldn't follow some of her arguments but I assumed it was because it was the Guardian and I am tired. Bernie just bungles it A LOT. Ugh even the Gillum thing.

Granted, Bernie was the last white guy I voted for so maybe I will get there again if he gets his shit together.

That piece is awful.

what was the gillum thing?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-was-helped-by-the-neverhillary-vote-what-does-that-mean-for-his-chances-now/

here is a helpful article about bernie 2016 voters

xpost the gillum thing was this quote that he had to later explain away. "You know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American."

NB that the context for this was that Sanders had campaigned hard for Gillum, an African-American gubernatorial candidate, and that the next sentence he said was something like "next time, I think it will be easier for them to do that."

I think bernie was saying something descriptively accurate. It’s a shame, but in southern states especially black candidates face unique barriers, which the republicans understood and exploited by running a racist campaign.

I am unable to recognize what’s offensive though, seemingly

Unfortunately people will be justified in hating him over something like this.

So Bernie Sanders has selected Nina Turner as one of his campaign co-chairs. Here's Nina Turner days before the 2016 US Presidential election saying she's not backing Hillary Clinton. pic.twitter.com/jS2I5Ea2fP

— Ethan Grey (@_EthanGrey) February 21, 2019

He should have said "Southern white voters are hopelessly racist bastards so fuck them and fuck you too".xp

We live in really fucked up times.

I’d rather a president—like warren or bernie—who seems kind of blissfully ignorant of the woke paradigm but remains committed to fighting against racism and sexism than I would someone who is so “in it” that they know how to navigate every interview perfectly, without stepping on a pointless landmine. The more different they are than everyone I know in Williamsburg and ilx the better.

people don’t need to like bernie but the way democrats are vetting their candidates is absurd. it’s 100% reactive and based on how things look and completely eager to misread any little thing

tbf tho treesh, being chill with someone who's not woke but is genially and ignorantly anti-racism is like "i'm okay with fighting racism not being a priority." which i don't think is the position you mean to be staking out but idk i think this form of comfort is a kind of white privilege. one whole point of wokeness is that being a well-intentioned white person isn't enough in and of itself.

It’s not “idpol v. class” either, it’s a form of discourse where the ither side is assumed to have bad intentions and nothing of vaue to say. Chapo is totally like this too—flippant and reactive.

I get that doctor, it’s not even that idea of standpoint theory it’s the way it’s deployed that’s making discourse stop functioning

It's problematic that marginalized people can identify right away what's wrong with that statement and the "most well-intentioned white person" can't. And it's not a dig because everyone has their own personal experiences that they draw from and expectation of others, but when it's a collective epidemic of these experiences for non-white people and white people casually brush it off as a degree of "wokeness" ...all people need to try harder at being empathetic without feeling a need of to make sure their hands are clean. (I am also on my 3rd glass of wine).

Each of these instances of Bernie bumbling I have gone "ooooooohhhhhhhhh" without even knowing anyone else's reaction. And then yeah, people are not happy, it's not just me.

What’s wrong is he said ppl might be “not racist” bur not wanting a black governor. That’s definitely wrong—voting based on race is racist. What he meant was thing are trending another way and these people could come around eventually, as i’m sure many voters did on obama.

So the issue is he doesnt want to condemn but persuade this population. I dont know if thats the wrong approach. That is the approach obama took.

I know what he meant but it goes back to him constantly centering make white or racist people feel comfortable/important rather than calling out a problem accurately (which is a non-shocker). AOC is good at not doing this although even she has some issues. Bernie is just cringe cringe cringe.

xpost that approach is default for most people which is why it gets offensive coming from someone who is supposedly the white saviour of progressivism.

the way democrats are vetting their candidates is absurd. it’s 100% reactive and based on how things look and completely eager to misread any little thing

In other words, truly AMERICAN!

PLZ NO OFFICEHOLDERS AS SAVIORS, ever.

choose sides: savior or daddy bernie

Lol

I'm glad that more candidates are talking about reparations. It's embarrassing that it seems like a pipe dream.

this is where i'm at, pretty much

candidates you would enthusiastically vote for if they were ultimately the nominee, tell yr friends etc

warren
sanders
harris
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people you would vote for, whatever level

gillibrand
biden

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hold your nose and vote for them (it's entirely because trump sucks so badly)

booker
castro (maybe the level above? i don't know)
klobuchar
beto
bloomberg (at least he's good on climate change)

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fuck this world nominees, i'd rather vote for that tree over there, there is no hope, fuck all of this, whatever

gabbard
schultz
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who the fuck are these people

buttguy
delaney

my tiers are very tentative; convince me to change my ways

also, gillibrand is very close to top tier for me - for some reason i just don't read as much about her as i do the others. but i could be convinced.

buttigieg is good! he's top tier for me honestly, would love it if he became VP also

gillibrand and klobuchar are hold your nose level for me

also biden is a nose-holder, maybe even worse, more like a slow motion centrist disaster. he needs to go ASAP.

other than that I agree w/yr takes

Yeah, I'm a Buttigieg fan, too.

.@PeteButtigieg on court packing: “It’s no more a departure from norms than what the Republicans did to get the judiciary to the place it is today….Bold, ambitious ideas need a hearing right now."

— Lis Smith (@Lis_Smith) February 20, 2019

yeah generally agree with karl's tiers but I like buttigieg too

gillibrand is lowest tier for me

i haven't even looked into buttigieg, mea culpa

but is this kind of a dennis kucinich deal where actually he's alright but david letterman is going to make fun of him until he goes away? i mean i already called him the butt guy. fuck

Gillibrand felt like a much bigger deal before she announced.

yang is interesting but no traction, can't really see past bernie/warren

wait, buttigieg was a consultant at mckinsey and he's still in the navy. i'm sure he can punch people in the face ,ok

I liked this little profile recently

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-political-scene/pete-buttigiegs-quiet-rebellion