2020 Democratic presidential primary

ugh yes how terribly silly of one of the few gay people of color on a thread dominated by white straight males to take exception to a maladroit statement by a Dem candidate, the way we all take exception to the hundreds of statements made by Harris, Booker, Clinton, Biden, etc.

Do carry on.

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:03 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago

you're right, I'm sorry

― k3vin k., Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:01 PM

No problem, kev. You're one of the good 'uns. This thread can be as painful as tetanus.

damm this thread sux

ok

I care about representation too. Even as a not big fan of Hillary Clinton, I felt very happy telling my daughters I was voting for her in the general. Same with Cynthia Nixon, Kirsten Gillibrand, and Grace Meng, among others, in 2018 (as my then six year old said, "wow, there are a lot of girl presidents!").

But, you know, that doesn't mean I'd support Margaret Thatcher. Or Sarah Palin. Or Ben Carson. Obviously none of the current dem candidates are in the same universe as those people, but there's still a question for me of how much weight to give representation versus platform.

Like, little girls feeling empowered by Michelle Obama is one thing. But that will not change whether they have access to the affordable healthcare and childcare they need to actually be successful later in life.

someone else posted above something I never knew, that he ran for 2016 because he couldn't convince Elizabeth Warren? What's the point now?

He has an agenda, an organization, and an enthusiastic following; I like Warren a lot but it's not yet obvious to me that she would be the stronger advocate for the policies they hold in common.

i hope i get to chose between those two -- it would be legitimately tough and for the right reasons.

i think one will fall out before new york and it will be bernie or warren vs. some lame-o ilxors like

I’m not sure who qualifies as “some lame-o ilxors like”.

Yeah seems Warren/Sanders will poll ahead of anyone else, Treesh.

anyone else in the race

is a lame-o. you can quote me on this when i run for president in 2024.

xopst, re M. Obama, well yeah, these things are obvious. You should've just added in Ivanka and Park Geun-hye to make a full point.

I am starting to suspect that Yerac might have a different perspective on representation than even the best-intentioned straight white dude!

because everyone had denied that

he is beginning to suspect he is woke.

Is there any logistical/demographic reason Bernie and Warren couldn't team up down the line assuming both their polling numbers stayed strong?

It matters very little who the running mate is, beyond a do-no-harm principle, so I suppose it could be so. But the consultants won’t like it. Two white senior citizens from New England?

A promised Cabinet position might be better than running mate status.

Bernie/Beto 2020, they’ll both make your calves cramp

one of the main reasons I support Warren and Bernie above the rest is that I have a much better feeling about the potential makeup of their Cabinet than the other candidates, who I fear are far likelier to appoint a bunch of Obama retreads and other centrist nullities.

I'm just looking forward to the prospect of ending our long national nightmare of winning.

I’m not sure who qualifies as “some lame-o ilxors like”

enormous missed opportunity here for joke answers here imo

here

Sherrod Brown cozy with bankers?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/sherrod-brown-wall-street-2020-1176016

The senator from Ohio should not give up his seat, not to be president, nor a cabinet member, nor anything. Not worth it.

Moire Donegan: Why vote for Sanders when you can have Elizabeth Warren instead?

Bankers! Yikes!! Totally want to fall for that outrage all over again!!!

xp. Progressives don’t have to choose between macho socialism and corporate feminism. Elizabeth Warren offers the best of both worlds

christ

I personally prefer Warren to Sanders, but that's a terrible subhed.

I'm not even going to read that piece to determine whether that's supposed to be satirical or what, I'm just going to admit my brain is fully broken.

When I see Bernie's poor posture, unkempt hair and rumpled suit I can think of nothing but machismo.

She is a woman, an essential identity trait in a party that is increasingly dominated by people of color

she's a corporate socialist! sign me up

She is a woman, an essential identity trait in a party that is increasingly dominated by people of color

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:45 PM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

madre mia

The entire sentence is not so angina inducing. "She is a woman, an essential identity trait in a party that is increasingly dominated by people of color and accounts for the votes of half of all white women, who rightly want to see themselves better represented in a party whose leaders have been much older, whiter and more male than actual voters."

There is really no question who Moira Donegan would vote for.

Yeah, I definitely cherry picked that, it just stood out as WTF even in context. Especially since the follow-on about white women elides that a majority of white women voted for Trump (and consistently vote Republican in other races) and if we're the demographics route, Warren doesn't have that much of an edge on the old white guy candidates.

I will be the first to say that white women are a huge disappointment as well. They gotta keep their place of power in the hierarchy.

a reminder that Moira Donegan created the shitty media men list.

and has sparked fights, similar to those that sprung from Sanders’ last unsuccessful presidential bid in 2016, over whether the Democratic base should commit itself to ameliorating economic inequality, or to fighting racist and sexist bigotry.

This is the weirdest question. These things are linked together. It would make sense if other candidates had lots of race and gender specific proposals that Bernie rejected but they don’t.

splitters innit

i'm not sure if americans realise 1) how much helpful editing opeds get in good opinion sections in the US to make them at least read well, even if they're garbage 2) how non-edited the vast majority of the guardian's output is.

Op eds are psy ops. They just want to piss people off and drive “engagement.”

“Are poor people important or are women?” as if these are different categories.

Except Bernie has been bungling when he tries to talk about anyone other than his "ordinary american" who are somehow not inclusive of those other categories.

It was this moment of his: https://www.theroot.com/why-some-black-and-brown-people-cant-trust-bernie-sande-1820017450

although I also have a grudge with him that he would support an anti-choice candidate.

Then that’s an issue of him bungling, it’s not an issue of his campign sparking the question of whether the democratic party should oppose racial injustice or economic injustice, which isn’t a question because the answer is both.

I’m not really defending bernie (maybe a littl) more the premises of that op ed, which seems like it’s trying to purposefully sharpen divisions among the left because that kind of content is viral.

Badly phrased but still

Oh, I couldn't follow some of her arguments but I assumed it was because it was the Guardian and I am tired. Bernie just bungles it A LOT. Ugh even the Gillum thing.