2020 Democratic presidential primary

Implying "Consider me, y'all, because I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of color" is even more cynical!

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 23:47 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

implying this is p cynical imo?

Implying "Consider me, y'all, because I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of color" is even more cynical!

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:47 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't quite get in what way Sanders is being cynical here, he was asked a question that was in so many words 'does the fact that you're not a woman, gay, or a person of colour mean that you shouldn't be the candidate in 2020' and he answered no - (in a clumsy, tone-deaf way, for sure), that seems distinct to 'you should vote for me *because* I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of colour'. If he answered yes to that question then he wouldn't be running at all (maybe he should answer yes because in the real world that we actually live in this distinction doesn't make any practical difference?)

what he said would've been completely fine if it was in support of the most diverse group of candidates ever. not in support of himself.

what an important conversation

seriously ugh

people want "I am not worthy," just as his endorsement of Clinton was somehow not enough.

A team player would commit harakiri.

I hope Hillary runs so we can relive 2016 forever. That should've been the subplot of Russian Doll.

Lol

People they hate him too much and like him too much compartmentalize away the stuff he says that they don’t like all the time. His support of the Russia investigation for example

The Hillary endorsement worked both ways in that sense

what an important conversation

― k3vin k., Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:53 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously ugh

― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, February 19, 2019

ugh yes how terribly silly of one of the few gay people of color on a thread dominated by white straight males to take exception to a maladroit statement by a Dem candidate, the way we all take exception to the hundreds of statements made by Harris, Booker, Clinton, Biden, etc.

Do carry on.

Alfred it just seems like so much straining to ascribe ill will to this guy...this has gone on for years now. A lot of the criticism in this thread is not merely that his statement was maladroit, that his political chops are lacking. Implicit in a lot of it is that he doesn't care about POC. His voting record and the above platform suggest otherwise.

This parsing and pouncing on every word or move of *all* the candidates—Harris, too, who I don't especially like—is just out of hand.

It’s not just candidates. This is the way we live now in general—at each other’s throats, ascribing bad faith to everyone

ugh yes how terribly silly of one of the few gay people of color on a thread dominated by white straight males to take exception to a maladroit statement by a Dem candidate, the way we all take exception to the hundreds of statements made by Harris, Booker, Clinton, Biden, etc.

Do carry on.

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:03 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago

you're right, I'm sorry

Nice

I had some trouble finding a list of substantial policy differences between the Warren and Sanders 2020 campaigns because they agree on and share many policies (and worked together to sponsor/co-sign a good number in the Senate) & this is what I could find https://t.co/gVMDoMVXla

— Zayaan Ali (@zayaanshaafiu) February 20, 2019

Is there any dems candidates that do not support Puerto Rico statehood?

xp TL;DR who uses which hot sauce?

Kamala still seems the most likely eventual winner but Bernie surely has a better chance than in 2016, so much has moved in his direction since, he's not the underdog that he was. The AOC factor has to be big too, energizing youjnger voters, feel like AOC could really swing it for Bernie. Not just AOC but the other new justice democrats with name recognition and online presence, that all adds to momentum. Be interesting to look at voter registration stats just over the last 3-4 months

it'll be interesting to see if AOC endorses anyone. her life has changed pretty drastically in the last 2 years, hasn't it?

If she does endorse anyone, its difficult to see it being anyone other than Bernie or Warren surely? But I wouldn't blame her if she decided to hang fire for a while on that!

Its weird to me that he's positioned as being 2016 when surely he's in a much stronger position in 20 than he was in 16?

Interesting stats here on net favorability

Bernie Sanders has higher net favorables than any other candidate among Black adults. Part of that is driven by higher name recognition, but even if you adjust for that, Sanders remains at the top (with Harris, Klobuchar, & Booker right behind). pic.twitter.com/CGou1DZ33Q

— Ben Spielberg (@BenSpielberg) February 20, 2019

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/na6jdfbhty/econTabReport.pdf

some unpleasant reading for Tulsi!

The Sanders vs Warren chart is helpful, thanks (although it does make them seem v similar). I'd hoped Warren would run last time but I was happy to have her as a Senator for the state I lived in.

Tulsi should drop out now

what would jill stein do?

Moguls recently held a secret meeting to decide which Democrat they will bankroll for president in 2020. Some Democratic candidates attended the meeting to audition for the moguls.

This is oligarchy. https://t.co/KTnFYNPJPE pic.twitter.com/Hsxyefiga1

— David Sirota (@davidsirota) February 19, 2019

do we also hate journalism when we bring up the fact that you were fired from a campaign for creating a fake website to smear a minority candidate? https://t.co/Q5Nldl8DYw

— rumjhum (@rumjhum) December 11, 2018

Where does the confidence behind thinking this come from?

can climate change hurry up and kill us all? i just read a tweet that said "elizabeth warren is as left as bernie, if not more" and the impending death of our species could not get here fast enough

— nathan e. smith (@trillmoregirls) February 19, 2019

It's adorable that people think stuff like this will hurt him

🚨Uncovered video🚨@BernieSanders in 1985 praising the Communist Castro regime in Cuba and admitting on camera that he traveled to Nicaragua to advise the Ortega regime on how to successfully fight the United States. pic.twitter.com/qYtpvbVvCS

— The Reagan Battalion (@ReaganBattalion) February 20, 2019

that video went viral three years ago!

I kind of want to make a politics thread where you cannot post tweets. it'll just be me and my stuffed animals posting there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR5b58zu4Bc

for consideration:

An analysis conducted for POLITICO by Guardians.ai found evidence that a relatively small cluster of accounts — and a broader group of accounts that amplify them — drove a disproportionate amount of the Twitter conversation about the four candidates over a recent 30-day period.

Using proprietary tools that measured the discussion surrounding the candidates in the Democratic field, Guardians.ai identified a cohort of roughly 200 accounts — which includes both unwitting real accounts and other ‘suspicious’ and automated accounts that coordinate to spread their messages — pumped out negative or extreme themes designed to damage the candidates.

This is the same core group of accounts the company first identified last year in a study as anchoring a wide scale influence campaign in the 2018 elections.

Since the turn of the year, those accounts began specifically directing their output at Harris, O’Rourke, Sanders and Warren, and were amplified by an even wider grouping of accounts. Over a recent 30-day period, between 2 and 15 percent of all Twitter mentions of the four candidates emanated in some way from within that cluster of accounts, according to the Guardians.ai findings. In that timeframe, all four candidates collectively had 6.8 million mentions on Twitter.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/2020-candidates-social-media-attack-1176018

Seriously. I have access to twitter too. I don't understand why there are so many tweets on ilx. I don't care what some nobody on twitter thinks. I care what nobodies here think.

agreed

DNC tooootally not trying to undermine one candidate

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/dnc-candidate-affirmation/index.html

imagine thinking that’s undermining

bernie sanders is a democrat who pretends he's not to titillate ppl who fancy themselves political rebels. the problem isn't that it's disloyal but that it's extremely childish.

he never release his full tax returns. So he's more republican there.

or did he? I remember it being a thing. I like Bernie. He's just pissing me off.

so many americans now register independent bc they're angry at their political party but they still vote straight-ticket

bernie sanders is a democrat who pretends he's not to titillate ppl who fancy themselves political rebels. the problem isn't that it's disloyal but that it's extremely childish.

― Mordy, Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:08 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well calling yourself socialist when most of his policies are run of the mill centrist stuff just north of border (look at Quebec) is also just marketing.

It is admittedly bad that he switched back to independent after the last election. There’s no good reason for it. Anyone who cares about his crusades should be at least a little annoyed w him for doing that since it undercuts what he says he wants to accomplish.

There's no good reason for a lot of shit he has been doing.

wtf do socialized college and healthcare have to do with anything in the Democratic party platform for the past quarter century? Good on him for making the small if symbolic distinction between himself and the Democratic party, not sure why this is "childish"

I mean I find the “he’s not even a Democrat!” people annoying sometimes but it seems arguably sillier that he makes a point of not calling himself one.

Maybe when the party adopts some thoroughly progessive positions he'll do that

He’s not a “socialist” and it’s weird he uses that moniker, but his vision of a compassionate society was never aligned with what the party was and is.

'Socialized college'? Is that a thing?