2020 Democratic presidential primary

Ok as long as Doctor Casino doesn’t talk about his stupid house again, that type of thing can only be funny one time.

his answer sounds kinda like ... MLK

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is so dumb that it's actually offensive.

First candidate to talk up universal surrogacy gets my vote

no births to citizens permitted until climate change countered

school enrollment levels to be maintained with refugees

tsrobodo (who?), where were you in 1964?

xp you just earned a flag post from me, nerdstrom

seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

tsrobodo (who?), where were you in 1964?

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:39 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dreaming of a world where people are judged solely by the content of their character isn't the same thing as repeatedly failing to acknowledge that we don't and urging people to essentially pretend that we do.

I don't think that's what his platform is doing at all, on criminal justice, immigration, or foreign policy.

What tsrobodo just posted is exactly how tone deaf Bernie comes off.

lol

🐦[This answer seems perfectly calibrated to make people Mad Online. https://t.co/k2uh0MaqqV🕸 pic.twitter.com/YQBSCxD7ev🕸
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) February 19, 2019🕸]🐦

I wouldn't quite equate that with MLK, I'll grant.

i don't think he was saying people should "move past" race and gender, or ignore inequities. he is saying that he shouldn't be de facto disqualified from running for president based on his race, gender and age.

Eh if it were just two out of three

Implying "Consider me, y'all, because I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of color" is even more cynical!

Is that what he was doing? He was responding to the question of whether he “represents the face of the new Democratic Party.”

I honestly do not think this dude is trying to appeal to racists and chauvinists.

I tried to make this point earlier but this did it better.

One of the reasons Bernie is the best candidate is that he understands that you don’t take the political situation you’re handed as a given. You team up with grassroots activists, organize, & fight hard for what’s right. So the answer is, eventually, all of them are possible. https://t.co/QfoaGzOodr

— Ben Spielberg (@BenSpielberg) February 19, 2019

I don’t care about Bernie Sanders’ interiority any more than I do about Donald Trump’s

I honestly do not think this dude is trying to appeal to racists and chauvinists.

― Trϵϵship,

I neither implied nor said he was. I suggested he wants to offer a space for a candidate who isn't Harris, Booker, Warren, etc.

That was to treesh but I mean also “Bernie sanders understands” is it germane what he understands

Implying "Consider me, y'all, because I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of color" is even more cynical!

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 23:47 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

implying this is p cynical imo?

Implying "Consider me, y'all, because I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of color" is even more cynical!

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:47 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't quite get in what way Sanders is being cynical here, he was asked a question that was in so many words 'does the fact that you're not a woman, gay, or a person of colour mean that you shouldn't be the candidate in 2020' and he answered no - (in a clumsy, tone-deaf way, for sure), that seems distinct to 'you should vote for me *because* I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of colour'. If he answered yes to that question then he wouldn't be running at all (maybe he should answer yes because in the real world that we actually live in this distinction doesn't make any practical difference?)

what he said would've been completely fine if it was in support of the most diverse group of candidates ever. not in support of himself.

what an important conversation

seriously ugh

people want "I am not worthy," just as his endorsement of Clinton was somehow not enough.

A team player would commit harakiri.

I hope Hillary runs so we can relive 2016 forever. That should've been the subplot of Russian Doll.

Lol

People they hate him too much and like him too much compartmentalize away the stuff he says that they don’t like all the time. His support of the Russia investigation for example

The Hillary endorsement worked both ways in that sense

what an important conversation

― k3vin k., Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:53 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously ugh

― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, February 19, 2019

ugh yes how terribly silly of one of the few gay people of color on a thread dominated by white straight males to take exception to a maladroit statement by a Dem candidate, the way we all take exception to the hundreds of statements made by Harris, Booker, Clinton, Biden, etc.

Do carry on.

Alfred it just seems like so much straining to ascribe ill will to this guy...this has gone on for years now. A lot of the criticism in this thread is not merely that his statement was maladroit, that his political chops are lacking. Implicit in a lot of it is that he doesn't care about POC. His voting record and the above platform suggest otherwise.

This parsing and pouncing on every word or move of *all* the candidates—Harris, too, who I don't especially like—is just out of hand.

It’s not just candidates. This is the way we live now in general—at each other’s throats, ascribing bad faith to everyone

ugh yes how terribly silly of one of the few gay people of color on a thread dominated by white straight males to take exception to a maladroit statement by a Dem candidate, the way we all take exception to the hundreds of statements made by Harris, Booker, Clinton, Biden, etc.

Do carry on.

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:03 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago

you're right, I'm sorry

Nice

I had some trouble finding a list of substantial policy differences between the Warren and Sanders 2020 campaigns because they agree on and share many policies (and worked together to sponsor/co-sign a good number in the Senate) & this is what I could find https://t.co/gVMDoMVXla

— Zayaan Ali (@zayaanshaafiu) February 20, 2019

Is there any dems candidates that do not support Puerto Rico statehood?

xp TL;DR who uses which hot sauce?

Kamala still seems the most likely eventual winner but Bernie surely has a better chance than in 2016, so much has moved in his direction since, he's not the underdog that he was. The AOC factor has to be big too, energizing youjnger voters, feel like AOC could really swing it for Bernie. Not just AOC but the other new justice democrats with name recognition and online presence, that all adds to momentum. Be interesting to look at voter registration stats just over the last 3-4 months

it'll be interesting to see if AOC endorses anyone. her life has changed pretty drastically in the last 2 years, hasn't it?

If she does endorse anyone, its difficult to see it being anyone other than Bernie or Warren surely? But I wouldn't blame her if she decided to hang fire for a while on that!

Its weird to me that he's positioned as being 2016 when surely he's in a much stronger position in 20 than he was in 16?

Interesting stats here on net favorability

Bernie Sanders has higher net favorables than any other candidate among Black adults. Part of that is driven by higher name recognition, but even if you adjust for that, Sanders remains at the top (with Harris, Klobuchar, & Booker right behind). pic.twitter.com/CGou1DZ33Q

— Ben Spielberg (@BenSpielberg) February 20, 2019

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/na6jdfbhty/econTabReport.pdf

some unpleasant reading for Tulsi!

The Sanders vs Warren chart is helpful, thanks (although it does make them seem v similar). I'd hoped Warren would run last time but I was happy to have her as a Senator for the state I lived in.

Tulsi should drop out now

what would jill stein do?

Moguls recently held a secret meeting to decide which Democrat they will bankroll for president in 2020. Some Democratic candidates attended the meeting to audition for the moguls.

This is oligarchy. https://t.co/KTnFYNPJPE pic.twitter.com/Hsxyefiga1

— David Sirota (@davidsirota) February 19, 2019

do we also hate journalism when we bring up the fact that you were fired from a campaign for creating a fake website to smear a minority candidate? https://t.co/Q5Nldl8DYw

— rumjhum (@rumjhum) December 11, 2018

Where does the confidence behind thinking this come from?

can climate change hurry up and kill us all? i just read a tweet that said "elizabeth warren is as left as bernie, if not more" and the impending death of our species could not get here fast enough

— nathan e. smith (@trillmoregirls) February 19, 2019

It's adorable that people think stuff like this will hurt him

🚨Uncovered video🚨@BernieSanders in 1985 praising the Communist Castro regime in Cuba and admitting on camera that he traveled to Nicaragua to advise the Ortega regime on how to successfully fight the United States. pic.twitter.com/qYtpvbVvCS

— The Reagan Battalion (@ReaganBattalion) February 20, 2019

that video went viral three years ago!