2020 Democratic presidential primary

boy would Bernie would have been perfect for 2008 and Obama for today.

I agree that his jewishness becoming an issue would be unlikely to help him and would probably just add another dimension of toxicity to the whole thing, re where jews fit into id politics based on white/PoC binary and Israel and probably lots of other things that cause arguments on the left

The not-religious person broadly seen as an old white guy proclaiming his Jewishness as diversity cred would take waaaaaaay more shit than even his poorly worded statement today.

Shure makes a mistake: the New Deal didn't want to destroy capitalism either ("confront" is a hedge).

if that sorta thing matters to you

it matters to me less than it would to, say, gabbneb. being 'smart' can help one foresee difficulties and a path around them, but when you're working inside a large, complex political system, then having good political instincts, honed by extensive experience, will get you farther than just an abundance of intelligence. It's the difference between a Tip O'Neill vs. an Adlai Stevenson.

He'll be under scrutinywiths Harris re:incarceration; Vermont disproportionately incarcerates non-whites in a state that is really, really white.

Vermont disproportionately incarcerates non-whites in a state that is really, really white.

Hard for me to see a US Senator as responsible for his state government's legal system. That's entirely up to the governors, attorneys general, legislators, county prosecutors, judges and juries.

Shure makes a mistake: the New Deal didn't want to destroy capitalism either ("confront" is a hedge)

neither does Bernie, that's why she used that word and not the other word

i'm not sure how it is that this thread is consistently way worse than the other US politics threads but my god is it terrible. literally every three days people we start over again from either unsubstantiated old-hat 2016 arguments, obvious concern-troll cliches, outright tendentious trolling from the usual suspect, or the latest moronic variation on "but explain to me again, why do you think i should take a candidate's past actions and words into account when deciding who to support in a primary?" it's the closest ile discourse gets to something that genuinely could be produced by a well-taught algorithm. everyone needs to stop and like, read the whole thread through before posting again... shock to the system, break the cycle.

― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 2:01 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think the issue is that everyone here is too plugged in, too jaded, weary etc — we’ve seen it all before. and there’s this tendency (on all sides) to overthink things, to think like a pundit, to try to triangulate all the opinions of varying people we talk to instead of just being voters who care about issues. we all do it!

I do think bernie bros like myself could stand to just have thicker skin, too! I am actually open to a lot of these candidates personally and am not sure at all whom I’ll vote for. I would just appreciate a little more correctness being brought than the usual “did you know that some bernie voters voted for trump??!??” bs or whatever

xpost i know a lot of articles were written about it in 2016 but it goes back to criticism about Bernie not doing shit for non-white people in Vermont.

I'm not really sure what it is people are claiming he didn't do as Senator. If he had actively opposed legislation that would be good for POC or actively supported legislation that would be bad for POC that would be different.

Bernie is not my ideal candidate, and he does tend to phrase things in a way that is not exactly up to date with the wokest phrasing. But the candidates that are more adept at woke phrasing also happen to suck more politically. The best of them politically is surely Warren, but she (1) also puts her foot in her mouth when it comes to wokeness and (2) has done some things that make me question whether she has the political aptitude to face Trump. And iatee I think you are being a bit disingenuous since I doubt Warren is your candidate of choice.

There are a bunch of articles that examine his record in Vermont and how the black community view(ed) him. Anyway, I see that there is a new Bernie thread.

Pretty sure that one is purely for bro shitposting.

He replaced the comic book store guy. Bodes well

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-hires-top-civil-liberties-advocate-faiz-shakir-as-campaign-manager

Was that weaver? Or Devine? Honestly they seemed like the worst part of his campaign so moving on is a great move

Weaver. Agreed.

Faiz comes highly recommended

Also: pic.twitter.com/rXLSe6doL6

— David Klion (@DavidKlion) February 19, 2019

referring to anything from the stolen emails is shitty.

Heaven forbid.

https://giphy.com/gifs/community-ill-allow-it-146heXDX89mUgw

Ok as long as Doctor Casino doesn’t talk about his stupid house again, that type of thing can only be funny one time.

his answer sounds kinda like ... MLK

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is so dumb that it's actually offensive.

First candidate to talk up universal surrogacy gets my vote

no births to citizens permitted until climate change countered

school enrollment levels to be maintained with refugees

tsrobodo (who?), where were you in 1964?

xp you just earned a flag post from me, nerdstrom

seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

tsrobodo (who?), where were you in 1964?

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:39 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dreaming of a world where people are judged solely by the content of their character isn't the same thing as repeatedly failing to acknowledge that we don't and urging people to essentially pretend that we do.

I don't think that's what his platform is doing at all, on criminal justice, immigration, or foreign policy.

What tsrobodo just posted is exactly how tone deaf Bernie comes off.

lol

🐦[This answer seems perfectly calibrated to make people Mad Online. https://t.co/k2uh0MaqqV🕸 pic.twitter.com/YQBSCxD7ev🕸
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) February 19, 2019🕸]🐦

I wouldn't quite equate that with MLK, I'll grant.

i don't think he was saying people should "move past" race and gender, or ignore inequities. he is saying that he shouldn't be de facto disqualified from running for president based on his race, gender and age.

Eh if it were just two out of three

Implying "Consider me, y'all, because I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of color" is even more cynical!

Is that what he was doing? He was responding to the question of whether he “represents the face of the new Democratic Party.”

I honestly do not think this dude is trying to appeal to racists and chauvinists.

I tried to make this point earlier but this did it better.

One of the reasons Bernie is the best candidate is that he understands that you don’t take the political situation you’re handed as a given. You team up with grassroots activists, organize, & fight hard for what’s right. So the answer is, eventually, all of them are possible. https://t.co/QfoaGzOodr

— Ben Spielberg (@BenSpielberg) February 19, 2019

I don’t care about Bernie Sanders’ interiority any more than I do about Donald Trump’s

I honestly do not think this dude is trying to appeal to racists and chauvinists.

― Trϵϵship,

I neither implied nor said he was. I suggested he wants to offer a space for a candidate who isn't Harris, Booker, Warren, etc.

That was to treesh but I mean also “Bernie sanders understands” is it germane what he understands

Implying "Consider me, y'all, because I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of color" is even more cynical!

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 23:47 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

implying this is p cynical imo?

Implying "Consider me, y'all, because I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of color" is even more cynical!

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:47 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't quite get in what way Sanders is being cynical here, he was asked a question that was in so many words 'does the fact that you're not a woman, gay, or a person of colour mean that you shouldn't be the candidate in 2020' and he answered no - (in a clumsy, tone-deaf way, for sure), that seems distinct to 'you should vote for me *because* I'm not a woman, gay, or a person of colour'. If he answered yes to that question then he wouldn't be running at all (maybe he should answer yes because in the real world that we actually live in this distinction doesn't make any practical difference?)

what he said would've been completely fine if it was in support of the most diverse group of candidates ever. not in support of himself.

what an important conversation

seriously ugh

people want "I am not worthy," just as his endorsement of Clinton was somehow not enough.

A team player would commit harakiri.

I hope Hillary runs so we can relive 2016 forever. That should've been the subplot of Russian Doll.

Lol

People they hate him too much and like him too much compartmentalize away the stuff he says that they don’t like all the time. His support of the Russia investigation for example