2020 Democratic presidential primary

I could use a comparative yardstick but this seems fast

Bernie Sanders campaign confirms they raised $1 million in the first 3.5 hours since his announcement.

— Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) February 19, 2019

I agree Clinton was not a great candidate and yet she did win relatively soundly vs Bernie.

anyway I don’t have the time nor interest to argue about politics with berniebros rn, I am glad that he won’t win the nomination this time because he would obv be a terrible president even if he won. anyone who supports him over warren should do some soul searching as to how they ended up in that spot.

Sure, when he was an out-of-nowhere upstart and Clinton had 100% of the party's backing and an otherwise clear field. And yet he won as many states against her as she did against Obama in 08. xp

berniebrooooos

I think out-of-nowhere upstarts have a distinct advantages these days, you see that everywhere now. I mean one could say she won despite the disillusion you were referencing.

acting as a sort of "activist president" interested in activating citizens to help pressure existing power structures/institutions into necessary change, inviting people to take a more participatory role. In other words exactly what O ended up not doing with the base who were excited about him.

^yes absolutely this

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I identify as a bro but not a bernie bro—just a supporter.

I don't think they needed the alert tbh

i sent an ill-advised text to my mom on saturday telling her to pay attention to the news (the "national emergency") because i'd probably be referring to it at some point in the future while screaming at my parents about their terrible politics, which is something i do every 15 years or so.

she finally responded with some good news for "dems and libs": "i guess you know Bernie has thrown his hat in the ring as well as many other libs, socialists, dems. it also appears that dems leaving CA< IL, NY, and other NE states are inhabiting AZ, TX, FL, VA turning them purple if not blue. once this happens the left will be in office a very, very long time. i hope you are having a good day otherwise. luv you"

tempted to advise her to tells the cons and repukicans to take advantage and move to CA, IL, NY, and other NE states and turn them purple if not red, but it would be best just to say "lol, luv u 2"

Srsly STFU w this Berniebro idiocy

Estimates from multiple surveys estimate between 6-12% of people who voted Bernie in the Primary voted for Trump but go on, bestow your facts upon me k3ller

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:52 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this meme is basically out of the dinesh d’souza playbook of dishonest use of statistics. never mind historical context, the fact that more hillary voters voted for romney in 08 or more kasich voters voted for hillary in 16...citing this dumb meaningless statistic is a way to...show you can’t read? take out curated online party positioning? show solidarity with neera tanden and peter daou? who even knows?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters-study

anyway I don’t have the time nor interest to argue about politics with berniebros rn, I am glad that he won’t win the nomination this time because he would obv be a terrible president even if he won. anyone who supports him over warren should do some soul searching as to how they ended up in that spot.

― iatee, Tuesday,

Totally understand if you don't want to do this but....why would Bernie be a terrible president? Policies or Personality? I understand people preferring a different candidate but what is that would make him bad?

if the Dukakis margin had been thin too, that might be a credible claim.

So the losing primary candidate is only on the list of things that hurt the nominee in the general when their loss is below a certain margin?

Seriously, though, is there a convention that US primary candidates should withdraw before they are mathematically eliminated (even if they say they will ultimately support their opponent if they win, as Sanders did before the NY primary)? I've not come across that in any sort of election before, including party leadership contests.

stake* out

parties and coalitions are made up of all sorts of people with different priorities that you might not expect based on a candidate’s “base” or their loudest supporters. this is really not difficult to understand

xp

I have an idea. Let's not rehash 2016 and say we did.

citing this dumb meaningless statistic is a way to...show you can’t read? take out curated online party positioning? show solidarity with neera tanden and peter daou?

actually daou is good naou

THREAD: On #Bernie2020#BernieSanders is running for president again. From the bottom of my heart, I ask Clinton and Sanders supporters to avoid replaying 2016. I know it's hard to let go of the mutual animosity, but if we intend to defeat the radical right, we MUST join forces.

— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) February 19, 2019

yeah I saw that! good for him. we’ll see how long it lasts

anyone who supports him over warren should do some soul searching as to how they ended up in that spot.

not antisemitic enough?

(im sorry youre such a person of bullshit, sincerely)

Oof

This thread is a pretty good explanation for why Bernie shouldn't run again, lol

I can see wanting Bernie for a number of good reasons (there’s both valid pragmatic and aspiration cases to be made imo) it’s just that the “everyone sucks but him”/“he’s the only good candidate” voices are super toxic, have been bad for him and everyone.

It's early days. Everyone is running and everyone hopes to become relevant. Only two or three will be relevant one year from now.

AFAICT pretty much every Bernie person I encounter thinks Warren is at least fine

fred, with all due respect, you already benefit from living in a country with the quality of life that bernie wants to bring to america. i don't think you understand how important it was that he made things like a living wage and universal healthcare feel politically possible for the first time.

Lol “at least fine”, with friends like these...

Lol “at least fine”, with friends like these...

hmmm, perhaps you failed to notice what "at least" means.

Anything more hardcore/stanning than “most/all of them are fine but I’d rather Bernie” is the thing that annoys people and causes the “Bernie Bro” tag to stick

lol

This answer seems perfectly calibrated to make people Mad Online. https://t.co/k2uh0MaqqV pic.twitter.com/YQBSCxD7ev

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) February 19, 2019

Warren seems good to me, and it seems the Native gaffes have been oveplayed in media?

This thread is a pretty good explanation for why Bernie shouldn't run again, lol

― Frederik B, Tuesday

I can sort of see this, people putting forward why he shouldn't run but I haven't really seen anything substantive about why he shouldn't be president, I'm unclear what it is about either his policies or his personality that isn't suitable for the presidency

anvil, it was just a comment on how awful todays discussion has been

i'm not sure how it is that this thread is consistently way worse than the other US politics threads but my god is it terrible. literally every three days people we start over again from either unsubstantiated old-hat 2016 arguments, obvious concern-troll cliches, outright tendentious trolling from the usual suspect, or the latest moronic variation on "but explain to me again, why do you think i should take a candidate's past actions and words into account when deciding who to support in a primary?" it's the closest ile discourse gets to something that genuinely could be produced by a well-taught algorithm. everyone needs to stop and like, read the whole thread through before posting again... shock to the system, break the cycle.

the funny thing to me about the Berne Bro tag is that I could not possibly count the number of extremely online leftists (and some folks I know IRL) for whom Bernie is a compromise candidate at best and are not shy about saying so

I posted a story this morning that based on a wide swath of party faithful, including the indigenous, the DNA stuff is a Beltway phenomenon

I get that, Fred! its more of a general thing - I'm finding it easy enough to find out why he shouldn't be a candidate, but really difficult to find out why he shouldn't be president!

i don't want to speak for iatee but my concern about a bernie presidency is that it would be contentious and he would struggle to even keep his own party in line let alone bringing over republicans to support legislation. that a future bernie presidency would seem to require massive social action + demonstrations from the voters after he wins to help generate support for his preferred legislation is also a warning sign to me since i am suspicious of the American public's willingness or ability to engage in that kind of action. nb that i recognize opinions may differ on all of the above but that's my concern - that he'd come in with an ambitious agenda but lack the tools or ability to wield the levers of power to actually execute it and that hoping the American public would generate that consensus themselves seems to me unlikely.

The question kind of seems calibrated to elicit a response that will make people mad online. How can he answer it other than suggesting that race shouldn’t be the defining factor in who is picked?

“most/all of them are fine" is something I would have a hard time saying about any group of pols.

btw i could point you to at least one popular blog of Democrats where the sentiment is just short of "die Bernie die."

he could've said "i bring ideological + policy diversity," or he could've said, "i think you'll find my policies will help people of all genders and racial identifications" or he could've said, "i'd be the first Jewish president which would be diverse" -- the answer he gave was probably the worst version.

I posted a story this morning that based on a wide swath of party faithful, including the indigenous, the DNA stuff is a Beltway phenomenon

I feel bad that i took it at face value people saying this was a more damaging issue than it maybe really is. Things move fast and subconsciously its easy to take things as a given when. The smears on all the candidate are bad enough, trying to stay above all that as much as possible!

As for doubting if the American populace will take to the streets, anything short of massive social action + demonstrations to remake the global economy and humanity is finished within a century or two. So despite Alfred casting Sanders as John the Baptizer, a presidential messiah will not save you.

He should have responded with the “that’s bait” reaction gif from Mad Max Fury Road

Many xps holy shit

He gave a terrible but completely Bernard answer.

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I don't think anyone is going to care about this answer 24 hours from now