"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

https://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2019/02/the-irrelevant-independent-group.html

This is very good, specifically this:

It claims that our politics is “broken”, but is blind to the fact that capitalism is broken too, and that this is a major cause – perhaps the major cause – of our broken politics. Phil says the IG has “learned nothing, nothing since 2015.” I’d question only the year here: it seems it has learned nothing since 2008.

Now, you might reply that it’s unreasonable to expect a new political grouping to have detailed policies. True enough. The problem with the IG, though, isn’t that it doesn’t have solutions: it’s that it doesn’t even see a problem. There’s a good debate to be had about how far capitalist stagnation can be fixed by fiscal and monetary policy alone, and how far it needs institutional change too. The IG shows no sign of entering this debate, though.

yeah, otm

their answer to fixing our broken politics appears to be 'blairism' which is a pretty remarkable act of self-deception but not much use on any other level

Lots of these putative "voices of the left" are complete pumpers. They might as well get on the CCHQ payroll for all the good they do.

big boy b4st4ni has previous

For this quiet day, why not try The Social Review giving Chris Leslie a thorough kicking?

https://www.thesocialreview.co.uk/2019/02/18/the-very-real-limits-of-chris-leslies-non-ideological-ideology/

Aaron Bastani did

Anyone who is not themselves a dick?

well this is the issue isn't it

what if politics but no dicks

https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02846/commons_2846175b.jpg

politics of the penis, my new one-man show, coming to the edinburgh fringe this summer

ew

why do u hate art

The Indie Pendulous Group

govt moving to revoke shamima begum's citizenship apparently

Disgusting government. They’ll probably lose the decision.

you mean Unelected Judges will use Perverse Human Rights Laws to overturn Javid's Brave Act ?

I meant the Enemies of the People, yeah.

Jfc that is a fucking disgrace if true

govt moving to revoke shamima begum's citizenship apparently

― ||||||||, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:51 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

considering it would leave begum stateless it seems like surely that's no legal?

(in canada you can have your citizenship revoked for involvement in terrorism but it only affects dual citizens)

“Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the home secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship,” the letter read, according to the programme.

“In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the home secretary’s decision has been served of file today (19 February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/19/isis-briton-shamima-begum-to-have-uk-citizenship-revoked

it's fine - I'm sure there are no security implications for us letting a bunch of IS fighters wander about around the syria-lebanon border while stateless

Jim, I'm sure I read yesterday that they may be able to do it because her mum has Bangladeshi citizenship, or that was at least one of the lines that would be tried.

Jim, I'm sure I read yesterday that they may be able to do it because her mum has Bangladeshi citizenship, or that was at least one of the lines that would be tried.

― michaellambert, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:47 PM (fifty-two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

creates a real 2 tier level of citizenship. "you're a bit foreigny so we can take your citizenship away because you did bad things"

Yep & provides red meat to every racist in the country. Unfortunately the UK deciding human rights don’t apply to certain groups of people isn’t anything new - see internment, Guantanamo Bay...

Windrush

Extraordinary rendition.

this is so shortsighted too

there’s a whole bunch of other IS repatriation cases in the pipeline - I don’t want a bunch of connected, stateless IS fighters milling about the middle east. how can that be good for UK security ? I mean it’s not syria or its neighbours are in a position to try and detain them

looking forward to a definitive ruling on what actions by UK citizens abroad lead to loss of citizenship

Is Gary Glitter still a citizen?

Javid would revoke his own UK citizenship before Gary Glitter's.

another labour resignation

chicken coup mk II in full flow

Who?

I'm not sure if there's a legal basis for detaining them upon return to the UK but the potential intelligence value is surely pretty big?

labour right trying to burn down their party; tory right trying to burn down the country; and both have support in large swathes of the press. truly blessed to live in the greatest rainy fascist island

Xp Joan Ryan, Enfield North.

Who?
― suzy, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:26 (fifty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can't even remember. joan someone?

How many MPs have to resign before it becomes a major problem?

this many? idk, waiting for the tankie line

obviously 'antisemitism' is largely a jumped-up pretext at this point (despite some real actual problems which could be dealt with like adults by all concerned) and these people are all indulging some sort of one nation tory fantasy that will - they hope - result in coalition with the conservatives at some stage. they must be trounced

nick watt reporting on news night that woke soubz, wollaston and allen might jump to split club seven eight tomorrow

would be genuinely surprised if any tory actually follows through with a threat to leave the party

agreed

unless it's to go further right, i.e. carswell

otm

I'm sorry I just can't picture Anna Soubry in the same party as Mike Gapes.

That really is the thing. You have to represent something that’s not just, idk, anti-Corbyn.

Also:

RT 🔒: Joan Ryan is a racist who criticised Jeremy Corbyn for visiting a Palestinian refugee camp in Jordan on the basis that if - as Corbyn advocates - these refugees were granted a right to return, Israel would no longer be ethnically pure. https://t.co/oBDb0PaJiV

— ciarán (@schmrn) February 19, 2019

The gapes party is a very broad church

Broad and lactose-tolerant.

Why is it funny to post pictures of milk to Mike Gapes? I only know it as an alt-right threat, but that doesn't really work in this context.

looking forward to a definitive ruling on what actions by UK citizens abroad lead to loss of citizenship

The definitive ruling will be that none of them do as it is transparently illegal, as Javid well knows. He gets to look like a hardman and whinge about the courts in a few months so it’s a win-win for him though.

Xp,

Gapes has a weird milk obsession and made a long speech in parliament once about how awful it is that milk from the north of England and milk from the south of England gets mixed before reaching the consumer iirc.

matt - think the magic number is 36. it's at that point they overtake the SNP as third largest party (attracting short money, questions at PMQs etc.)

the thing they need is time more than numbers tho - time to organise, consolidate into a party, build a base, design a policy platform, get known by the public etc. there's a very real risk with everything coming to ahead so soon that theresa may (her political instincts such that they are) will call an early GE pretty soon. she'll feel buoyed by her chances following this no doubt - if that happens, the labour party will unite and these lot will likely get swept away