2020 Democratic presidential primary

re. him being old and "dyspeptic"—paving the way for a younger, smoothers candidate—I like people who are awkward and rough around the edges. glamorous people who make an incredible first impression haven't always been the best people, in my experience. i also like elizabeth warren's normcore stylings and general awkwardness.

P sure he allied with Putin to elect Trump and turn the nation's college students into mansplainers or something. Tad Devine's last name was in the subject line of an email, you know.

lol

Sanders' 2020 agenda, per aides:
- Medicare 4 All
- Green New Deal/climate
- $15 min wage
- Criminal justice reform
- Free college
- Break up biggest banks
- Gender pay equity
- Paid leave
- ⬇ Drug prices
- Expand Social Security
- Save unions
- DREAM Acthttps://t.co/CyM52Cw2pf

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) February 19, 2019

i'll vote for that platform

all of it is necessary in order to even get the country started on a path to becoming something other than a capitalist dystopia.

w/ the exception of Warren there is not a single other candidate who would actually carry that platform through to the general election

I don't know where she is on the college thing

There's a few more planks in the thread btw, including ending cash bail - does Harris have a stance on that?

i agree with that very much, hadrian. bernie and warren seem to see america like i do -- a country that is increasingly unaffordable, where people feel trapped and hopeless while the powerful profit more and more each year -- and the other candidates don't seem to get it. harris should be commended for the homeowner relief—not a small thing—but in general i see her as a pragmatist, not someone crazy enough to believe that america could actually be a decent place for ordinary people to live.

xp

ha Bernie coming out swinging at Trump hard in announcement video

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/19/bernie_sanders_announces_2020_run_for_president.html

I'd rather see a woman tbh

history has shown that the platforms people campaign on are only a rough indicator of what their priorities will be once in office.

But Bernie will be different! You'll see!

a dyspeptic John the Baptizer

like Sotosyn I expect the actual nominee to cure lepers and be crucified after 3 years in office

i'm glad he's running. people here can say what they want, but bernie sanders has done more than anyone in america to advance the issues that are most important. because of him, issues like raising the minimum wage, medicare for all, and free college—just to name three—are mainstream positions that almost all of the current candidates say they support.

― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:21 AM (forty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

he's not a fucking Democrat, unperson, that's different enough.

He had my vote in 2016, and the current political moment owes everything to him, but he's a bit like Goldwater in that his moment is gone. I just have no interest in an old white dude running against an obese white dude.

Trump is orange

this bernie lad has some alright policies eh

my apologies xpost

I might also be more enthusiastic for a hypothetical bernadette sanders, but in the end what i care about is getting america off the path of nihilism and oligarchy

fortunately we have more than one option this time

"We have a president of the United States who is a pathological liar." From the announcement video. But whoever the candidate is, THIS. This needs to be repeated, forcefully and w/o apology, all the way to November.

i agree. still, i sometimes wonder if there is anyone in america who doesn't know that already.

ending cash bail - does Harris have a stance on that?

Harris has proposed legislation that would create a three-year $10 million grant program to encourage states to figure out how to find alternatives to their cash bail systems. The legislation is co-sponsored by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.)...

Sanders, an independent from Vermont, has released a bill that would directly outlaw cash bail in the federal criminal justice system. The legislation, co-sponsored by Gillibrand, would also give states money to reform their bail systems, said Inimai Chettiar, director of the Justice Program at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice.

“The Harris bill would be helpful, but the Sanders-Gillibrand one is more aggressive,” Chettiar said. “The Harris bill would have an impact, but it’s hard to quantify.”

This article from In These Times looks at both bills and concludes that both are too weak but Sanders's is a little stronger. Both seem to be based on providing funds to states for bail reform but Sanders's requires states to actually show reductions in their incarcerated populations in order to qualify for funds, would withdraw funds from states that do not pursue reforms within three years, and does not rely on predictive algorithms to decide whether people should stay in jail.

fortunately we have more than one option this time

The large primary field this time - heavily populated with much more appealing candidates - will weed him out relatively quickly. The only real question is who his cult will blame for his flameout this time.

xxp Treeship right but it's not about persuading ppl, it's about making the accusation directly and putting GOP back on their heels with it

can we stop with the "cult" thing?

More appealing based on what criteria?

Xp

Also yeah i agree with you hadrian re trump

Can't imagine why the leftmost mainstream pol enjoys popular support. Weird coincidence!

"...artificial intelligence and robotics must benefit the needs of workers, not just corporate America and those who own that technology": Bernie inching towards fully automated luxury communism

The large primary field this time - heavily populated with much more appealing candidates - will weed him out relatively quickly.

bookmarking this for future reference

"I'm not Trump" did not work for HRC

tell ppl what yer gonna do to save them

unfortunately the Electoral College is indifferent to what Sotosyn is "interested" in

*puts chin thoughtfully under fist*

really hope Klobuchar just turned to the moderator and farted in response to that stupid fucking question

*pushes glasses up nose*

actually uh you uh you turn away from someone to uh actually fart at them

/fart checker

I heard Buttigieg on the radio and after spending a few weeks privately laughing to myself about his name I was really impressed when I finally heard him talk. I hope he doesn't get sidelined and left out of the debates.

really wish I had checked Politifart before posting :(

Based entirely on that agenda (which is what has been presented to base first takes off) this does look like another helping of "if we can just fix the economy then race relations should just sort themselves out" - this didn't work so well in 2016, I really can't see it going anywhere in 2020.

What would you do to repair race relations in America that is not enumerated in Bernie’s platform?

And which other candidate has better solutions in this area?

I was going to post this story published a couple days ago. It's not a surprise, though, cuz we talked about it exhaustively at the time. No doubt he'll do better this time.

Recent polling, inasmuch as it can be trusted, suggests he may have already closed that gap

Criminal justice reform, gender pay equity, and the DREAM act are not purely economic issues.

Sure, but he demonstrated little interest last time in changing his approach for the sake of the audience. Again, if he's the nominee I'll vote for him, but he's not whom I'm looking at most closely this time.

it's not him I object to as much as his idiot BernieBro base that might still not vote for the Dem candidate in 2020.