"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

low sympathy rating tbh, but I suppose from environmental pov it won't mean there is suddenly less planes belching out greenhouse gases/pollutants, just some other operator filling the void.

is jason cowley alright
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/02/len-mccluskey-remainers-need-calm-down-and-back-corbyn

What do we think about the isis returnees case

it feels like that whole situation was constructed by the Have Your Say machine just so people could have their say tbh

I felt a strong jihad impulse against western imperialism myself at that age tbf, but my ugly hairy arse just wans't pretty enough to get groomed by anyone.

You have to admire the contortions of people who think 16 year olds shouldn’t be allowed to vote, but that 15 year olds are responsible for being groomed & abused by terrorists. Oh, and someone being a shit human being doesn’t mean either their human rights or citizenship are forfeit.

just realised what i'm nigglingly reminded of every time nick cohen tweets "me in the observer"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xtM8mb2Ocg

Jfc pic.twitter.com/k2gL5hXYA2

— Matt Zarb-Cousin (@mattzarb) January 26, 2019

Owen Jones just isn't a good interviewer. Interrupts and can't stay on topic. This "but surely you must see that?" line of questioning doesn't work.

Interrupting is everywhere so it must be an executive decision on the part of producers to introduce some kind of tension but how do viewers benefit from two people speaking at once, or constant interruption. Either give someone a foot pedal that mutes interruptions or let them finish

All post-Paxman bullshit I think. Interrupt to look like you're speaking truth to power but actually don't speak truth to power

I understand on some shows if they don't want to let the guest actually speak, but Jones just seems completely unfocussed and unprepared, with no game plan at all - it feels lioke he is interrupting himself some of the time. Also, the fuck is it with overly long questions as well that contain the answer in them already, its like the football

interviewer: It felt like there was a concerted effort to exert more control over the central areas of the park in the latter stages when the opposition began to tire, was that a decision from the manager, or did the players collectively spot this happening, because it felt like a number of the players really grew into the match during the last 15 minutes, was that something you had talked about in training or is the manager now giving you more freedom to make these decision more on the spur of the moment, the crowd certainly appreciated it, is that something as players that you also collecitvely felt

footballer, in broken english: yes of course we had a good moment

generally i blame producers more than interviewers/hosts though - nobody benefits from people speaking at once, especially in limited timeframes, whats the point?

Where was this interview?

Guardian website

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/owen-jones

25th jan

OJ symptoms.

this pledging fealty to the labour party meme is extremely bad and dumb

and altogether not helpful

i just despair tbh

rather than hectoring or interrupting someone who is obv terrible and full of shit, you should lull them into a false sense of conviviality and let them condemn themselves. And then the cheka/people's court can deal with this evidence at a later date!

great point calz, please continue

actually this is not bad from, uh... theo bertram... ? wth
https://medium.com/@theobertram/how-is-labour-doing-b80cd7757ae2

I enjoyed this Owen Jones content:

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— Sir John Nipples (@BenignSyphilis) February 13, 2019

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— austin powers anchorman (@FRANKGRIMES420) February 17, 2019

neoliberal democrats launching today by all accounts

will probably take more votes off the tories tbf

In before 200 concern trolls bemoaning the death of the Labour Party

at least poor old G Lineker won't be sleeping out on the streets anymore.

there isnt 200 that care

Looking forward to a detailed explanation of how this party is different to the Lib Dems

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2018/04/it-s-tories-not-labour-who-should-fear-new-centrist-party

these principled idea politicians will be resigning their seats at the same time and putting their arguments to a by-election no doubt 🤔

At least most Tory "rebels" have the brains to realise people vote for the brand, not the particular nobhead representing it

My display name is disappointed they couldn't have waited until tomorrow tho

cdunt wait

Angela Smith’s seat is a marginal but all the rest are safe Labour seats. Idk what the benefit of such a small split is when they could easily be replaced by Corbyn loyalists? As said before and proved by Danczuk, there’s no such thing as a personal vote for most MPs. Berger is the only one who the party should be sorry to lose, imo. They’ve also done her a massive disservice wrt handling anti Semitism and they’ve done some disgraceful things(like concealing that threat against her).

Paul Flynn MP, the Labour MP for Newport West, died last night so that’s a by-election probably in May.

they’re going to abandon their constituents and target marginals at the next GE apparently

Lol wtfffff, I hadn’t read that? So much for being good constituency MPs.

it’s only a rumour at this point

Gossip I've heard on "imminent" #LabourSplit:

* There's a 10-year strategy for the new party
* Those leaving Lab will pledge not to stand for re-election in their current constituency & will instead target marginals.
* They sought advice from consultancy firms in Washington

— Rachel Wearmouth (@REWearmouth) February 17, 2019

Standing in marginals really only benefits the Tories, which is what they keep saying they don’t want.

I hope the party statement is even funnier than this one:

A spokesman for the party said: “Jeremy thanks John for his service to the Labour party.”

they sought advice from consultancy firms in washington

o shit these guys mean business

Any 10-year strategy written in the weeks before Brexit is fantasy bollocks, i can't believe these types would indulge in such

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_Tyne_and_Wear

lol

however will labour win a GE without bobson dugnutt

once you're committed to the fantasy of storming the ballot boxes with your irresistable centrist mandate, nothing is beyond the powers of your imagination i guess

never forget Chris Leslie's deep thinking on updating Mondeo Man/Worcester Woman - the Which magazine reading strata of UK society. Such a great mind allied to a finger on the pulse of the zeitgeist is a rarity in politics, RIP.

that’s that then

fs

Chris Leslie, MP for Nottingham East, is speaking now. He says it has not been an easy decision and that they have all been MPs for very many years. The Labour party they joined, campaigned for and believed in has been hijacked by the “machine politics of the hard left”, he says.

'oh noes my centre-right party has been inflitrated by people with actual political convictions'

He says it would be irresponsible to allow Jeremy Corbyn to be prime minister, which is something other Labour MPs will say privately. He accuses the leadership of having a “narrow and outdated ideology”. “To them the world divides between oppressor and oppressed, class enemies, when in truth the modern world is more complicated than this.”

i mean is it tho