2020 Democratic presidential primary

depends how you evaluate Ross Perot

it's a long way to Tipperary

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 February 2019 15:23 (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

relative

omg treeship you're such a lookist

― j., Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:45 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i wasn't the one saying their concern for the incarcerated was somehow bad because of optics! the optics people on this thread are other people

another cool thing i noticed about that tweet thread is that it is a new york times reporter essentially making fun of rubes

and the thing they did wrong in this case was support black lives matter

I don't worry about Schultz as a spoiler tbh

Amazed anyone can make it to the end of that thread.

i'm still reading it. i'm surprised that barely any one has suggested that those people were most likely geniuine, not "russian plants." just because these people aren't good at spelling doesn't mean they can't take a stand against the moral abomination of private prisons.

you don't have to live in new york city and be a professional asshole to recognize injustice when you see it.

thats a catchy slogan have you got a product in mind

As a friend, Treesh, I need to advise that you find alternatives to self-harming behaviour.

Treeship, you do realize you're defending four white people who claim to support Black Lives Matter while not including a single black person in their demo, while on the other hand you're calling the black journalist who took a photo of them a 'professional asshole'?

all white people are inherently demonic, sez the new cw

Treeship, you do realize you're defending four white people who claim to support Black Lives Matter while not including a single black person in their demo, while on the other hand you're calling the black journalist who took a photo of them a 'professional asshole'?

― Frederik B, Saturday, 16 February 2019 16:41 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

capitalises black but not white, self-loathing wite here imo

lol. I do loath myself, but who wouldn't?

I want AOC to pass a bill where they just tax Howard Schultz at 90%.

pass---propose

or tax white self-loathing men

Treeship, you do realize you're defending four white people who claim to support Black Lives Matter while not including a single black person in their demo, while on the other hand you're calling the black journalist who took a photo of them a 'professional asshole'?

― Frederik B, Saturday, 16 February 2019 16:41 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't know enough about them to defend them. i just think it's not implausible that they're passionate about criminal justice reform and that's what brought them there. and that doesn't seem worthy of scorn in itself. what they're being mocked for is looking working class. if they were four attractive white college students with well made black lives matter signs it wouldn't be a meme—you see that all the time.

i'm not going to engage further with this. i just think it seems shitty to immediately read bad faith in people who are speaking out about a major civil rights and human rights issue.

If they were genuinely against the moral abomination of private prisons they probably wouldn’t be protesting someone who is spoken out against them.

Also

So one of the ladies in this 'protest' is in the replies to this thread and while Kamala Harris is a bridge to far, she's a massive Tulsi Gabbard stan. Being a 'true leftist' is fun. https://t.co/NE1ujpWtuK

— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) February 16, 2019

Jfc who cares

It’s not reading them in bad faith to recognize that their concerns aren’t related to private prisons if they are protesting someone who is against private prisons. It’s more of a common sense conclusion type of thing.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius) at 10:42 16 Feb 19

all white people are inherently demonic, sez the new cw

this was per Dr. Yakub's design, study your lessons

Xpost weird to say “who cares” instead of “actually that probably explains a lot”

I’m going to be sad in a year or so when this thread stops being an endless source of entertainment and devolves into something resembling hope

lol I wouldn't count on that

xp her record is mixed enough that if criminal justice reform is your main issue, she wouldn’t be your candidate.

I personally have nothing against harris and recognize she had progressive achievements as a prosecutor too. But you can’t just wish away the fact that this is a sticking point for many. Campaign promises are great but they’re more fickle than your background, which shows what your peiorities have been over time.

To Harris’s credit, she seems to be addressing these concerns head on and talking about these issues in a comprehensive way. It wasn’t her who tweeted that trash photo.

https://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-ff-federal-judges-order-state-to-release-more-prisoners-20141114-story.html

Most of those prisoners now work as groundskeepers, janitors and in prison kitchens, with wages that range from 8 cents to 37 cents per hour. Lawyers for Attorney General Kamala Harris had argued in court that if forced to release these inmates early, prisons would lose an important labor pool.

This isn’t evidence she is evil, but it does show that her priority, at this point in her career, was not helping get non violent offenders back on their feet.

Joe Biden is the Democrats' best chance to beat Trump in 2020. Period.

Ashley Pratte is a political commentator and communications strategist who previously served as director of media relations and public affairs at the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and the director of media relations and consultant for Better For America. She currently serves on the Board of Republican Women for Progress.

I will be shocked if Biden's support doesn't tank the moment he opens his mouth in a debate (assuming he actually runs)

Biden has no support among non-journalists. Two previous campaigns have proven this to the satisfaction of everyone but the DC press corps.

No surprise that a conservative commentator, recently prominent in ALEC (a Koch Bros. Production), would be touting Biden as the only viable Democrat. The Kochs have zero love for Trump. They correctly see him as a non-ideological, pure opportunist and that is intolerable to them as simon-pure Randian ideologues. They also know that mounting a challenge to Trump from within the GOP would crash and burn dismally unless a large scale political earthquake happens in the next year. Same goes for mounting a third party challenge. So, with Democrats shifting left, they'd naturally see Biden as the most palatable of the alternatives they could reasonably hope for.

if you think there's something wrong with Kamala Harris being photographed a bottle of with Texas Pete you're fucking ridiculous

iirc the saddest thing about Hillary carrying hot sauce in her bag was that she was carrying a bottle of Ninja Squirrel Sriracha in her bag

Schultz is currently on a book tour, and we should all ignore him completely unless he continues his "campaign" past the end of the promotional cycle for said book.

el tomboto u are neglecting our movie thread pls come back

trís, a mhic- Campaign promises are great but they’re more fickle than your background, which shows what your peiorities have been over time.

is it not possible that her task and priorities as a prosecutor in a state once would be different than her task and priorities as the president of the united states and if u concede this (u should) then isnt this moot

He will probably decide not to run and "reluctantly" back Trump for re-election because the Dems just won't back off his taxes, maaaan

Xpost

I was excited because I had never heard of this Ninja Squirrel sriracha but realize it's because it's a whole foods brand.

also because ninja squirrels are quiet

and deadly

while not including a single black person in their demo

there are literally four people there. thats not the demo

Though to be fair I stopped counting after 2 and approximated after that, felt close enough

is it not possible that her task and priorities as a prosecutor in a state once would be different than her task and priorities as the president of the united states and if u concede this (u should) then isnt this moot

No, no, her entire purpose as president will be to lock more black and brown people in prison, chortling with malevolent glee as she does so - she will literally be nullifying jury acquittals from the Oval Office and rounding people up on the streets in order to pack the prisons, which is her entire raison d'etre as a human and the sole reason she is running for president, because this is 100% a thing presidents get to do. She has been told.

as always i take what i read on us ilx with a pinch of salt, but i aint discounting that neither

Would you also say then that her record as state AG should not be counted among her qualifications and experience as a Presidential candidate?

yeah but not as if it had been a trial run for president, maybe.

No, no, her entire purpose as president will be to lock more black and brown people in prison, chortling with malevolent glee as she does so - she will literally be nullifying jury acquittals from the Oval Office and rounding people up on the streets in order to pack the prisons, which is her entire raison d'etre as a human and the sole reason she is running for president, because this is 100% a thing presidents get to do. She has been told.

― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:38 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly. that was what i was implying when i said this

I personally have nothing against harris and recognize she had progressive achievements as a prosecutor too. But you can’t just wish away the fact that this is a sticking point for many. Campaign promises are great but they’re more fickle than your background, which shows what your peiorities have been over time.

To Harris’s credit, she seems to be addressing these concerns head on and talking about these issues in a comprehensive way. It wasn’t her who tweeted that trash photo.

― Trϵϵship, Saturday, February 16, 2019 1:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Her record as AG should be examined within the context of her position as the state's chief law enforcement official, with no latitude in how the law is written, and limited latitude in its interpretation. Where she had the widest discretion was in her choice of where to focus the efforts of her staff, and even then, as an elected official, much of her agenda would be set by the pressure of responding to public concerns, which are mostly media-driven.

Would you also say then that her record as state AG should not be counted among her qualifications and experience as a Presidential candidate?

The parts that are relevant, sure. I would say that the relevant parts would include the kind of subordinates she picked (shows how she'd handle choosing a cabinet), and causes she espoused as an AG that are likely to map over to presidential responsibilities. Criminal prosecutions are not in that category IMO. Though it might indicate what kind of AG she would pick. And that would therefore be a good question for a reporter or a debate moderator to ask her - who would you pick as your attorney general and why?

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