"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

I still cringe from the memory (from the Stalin & Roosevelt book a few years back) of that anecdote of a pissed up UK foreign office diplomat who was part of Churchill's entourage, who tried to say in the Kremlin in '43(?) that the Blitz had been much more murderous than what the Russians had suffered in this war so far. I think it must have been fucking Gavin Williamson's dad tbh.

like when someone on ilx compared the london riots to the siege of leningrad

I’m pretty sure Gavin Williamson’s dad is not a Tory, I’m sure I read some profile ages ago that alluded to it and his deeply strange Instagram has said much the same.

.. he got bit by a spider..

xxp

lol .. reports of cannibalism in waitrose.

RIP govt motion

what does anything mean

going to be any disciplining of those labour MPs that defied the whip tonight on the SNP amendment ?

also MPs - if they eventually throw their lot in with may - have some serious explaining to do to businesses that have effected their no deal contingency plans

They never are, zebra, despite old man Corbyn’s notorious authoritarian ways. I notice the porcelain Churchill stan votes with the government again.

He’s got some classic tweets in the canon, lol.

Disgrace: Farage "admires" brutal dictator who arms Assad & murders opponents. Would Thatcher say this? Churchill? http://t.co/sElETG2kHN

— Ian Austin (@IanAustinMP) March 31, 2014

Did David Cameron really just compare himself to Churchill? The greatest Brit tht ever lived? Must say the similarity's not struck me before

— Ian Austin (@IanAustinMP) September 29, 2014

6 minutes of guff about election debates & finally at 10.23, they find time for 50th anniversary of Churchill's death - greatest ever Briton

— Ian Austin (@IanAustinMP) January 23, 2015

I’ve always got on with @GavinWilliamson - he’s the next door MP and we’ve worked together on one or two local issues, but I must admit I’d never spotted the resemblance to Churchill before ... https://t.co/M7yonOiYvt

— Ian Austin (@IanAustinMP) February 20, 2018

Also!

If you think the Tories are at war now, just wait till you see the story breaking at 8pm. #staytuned

— Kevin Schofield (@PolhomeEditor) February 14, 2019

big john refusing to call thatcher a villain on channel 4 news is it ? red tory confirmed

Johnny Mc has probably had enough press outrage for one day.

In 2010, Mr McDonnell caused a furore by suggesting he would like to travel back in time and kill Margaret Thatcher in the Labour leadership contest. He subsequently apologised after he was condemned by both Tory and Labour MPs.

However on Monday new footage of Mr McDonnell from 2014 emerged of him joking about the incident and insisting that there was "massive support" for assassinating Mrs Thatcher, a year after she passed away.

mcdonnell otm, truly he is the greatest briton

mcdonnell for the fourth plinth imo

RIP The Milquetoast I mean Malthouse Compromise.

In an interview with @theHouse_mag, business minister Richard Harrington:
* Says Tory eurosceptic MPs are 'traitors' who should quit and join Nigel Farage's new party.
* Says the Malthouse Compromise is 'fanciful nonsense'
* Slams PM's Brexit strategyhttps://t.co/IJHbguAIfg

— Kevin Schofield (@PolhomeEditor) February 14, 2019

looking forward to a round of stories tomorrow following JRM's insistence on QT that concentration camps are good actually

"the concentration camps that churchill used weren't that bad: the mortality rate was the same as found in glasgow"

uh I have some bad news for you about glasgow and imperial britain

geoff norcott. a comedian who is a tory. how fucking completely novel.

rachel johnson getting her tits out for remain now - 2nd deatherendum.

just a pale rip-off of Dr Victoria Bateman's performances

Isn't david peace writing a novel about geoff norcott

he's certainly humorless enough

I can find out?

I think a neo-noir set in the murky world of R4 comedy would be more one for that dad of spiderman twat!

Geoff Norcott actually uses that he is a Tory voting comedian as part of his performance schtick.

"I'm not your typical lefty comedian like your eltons, robinsons, baddiels etc... look here I'm a genuine anomaly "

"I'm well mad me"

unfortunately for him, being such a terminally unfunny mediocrity - his politics don't make any difference. fortunately for him he's pretty much the R4 house style and a decent career is assured.

somebody had to take up the mantle of Terry Alderton

at least he's quite a useful cautionary tale for the young 'uns: if you keep taking those steroids this fucking abominable flesh-knot on legs could be you.

YouGov found that if Lab backed 2nd referendum, its vote share amongst "Labour Leave" voters would drop by 20pts, but its vote share amongst "Labour Remain" voters would only increase by 4pts.

Net effect would be that Lab % wouldn't change at all. pic.twitter.com/Ruivg8GHOL

— Stats for Lefties (@LeftieStats) February 14, 2019

when put like that it makes u wonder if they shouldn’t start rolling the pitch for a potential 2nd ref sooner or later (to some extent their conference policy already does that I guess)

... except all the key marginals are leave.

because of the turd who co-owns them, I take YouGov with an even bigger pinch of salt than the rest - apart from during election conditions. but fuck knows anymore, is 2nd ref becoming a possibility now?

I think it might have to be a consideration now, but only as a vote between remaining and whatever deal is on offer, and must be called a ratification vote.

i feel like this parliament has utterly failed here, and the only way out is putting the question back to the voters either in the form of a GE or a referendum. it's so fucked!

best scenario
- long extension (ie kick into long grass extension and grind everyone down until we remain by default)

second best scenario is
- may deal passes
- DUP withdraw support
- GE
- LAB manifesto offers ratification referendum
- thereby motivates base and respects referendum
- ???
- fully-automated luxury communism

I'm okay with either of those, but the second won't happen without also having a long extension, is my impression.

i feel like this parliament has utterly failed here

yeah this can't be repeated enough really, it's a remarkable achievement by all involved

what's crazy about all of this is that actually none of what's being discussed touches on the future relationship w/the EU - it is ONLY about defining relations while we sort shit out. right? can you imagine the almighty fuckery involved once THAT gets going? i can't take it! honestly!!

I don't think I can stand any more of his wall-to-wall media onslaught on Jacob Rees-Mogg being an apologist for concentration camps... er, hold on.

well any healthy relationship should continuously be evolving you know xp

im not sure ive any idea what my ukilxors actually feel about brexit, its just struck me

only what they think about the tory/lab approaches to the machinations around it

i take it all but xyz are against

He's not for it either. Right?

afaict he doesnt take direct positions but 'afaict' includes my own impatience for reading very long posts about uk politics or why we should do things because of what some dead guy said once

the fault is certainly mine, like

is xyzzzz leave ?

- I voted remain
- 7/10 was a resonant message for me (probably closer to 6/10)
- I don’t want a second referendum (exc to the extent that it would help LAB win a GE)
- I am not “pro” brexit, ppl voted the way they voted and there’s been no material change in circs in the interim to necessitate asking again + a second ref if not done properly is a lot more risky than ppl let on

my assumption is that position applies to quite a lot of ppl who post itt

tbf JRM is amongst the top 3 most watched videos on the bbc website

Most watched

1 Huge ice ball stuck on eagle
2 Is this the world's fastest seven-year-old?
3 Rees-Mogg comments on concentration camps

not an above the line front page story tho

im not sure ive any idea what my ukilxors actually feel about brexit, its just struck me

Dyed in the wool pro-European. For all it’s flaws, since Maastricht we’ve had better laws and better government coming from Brussels than we’ve had from London. Being part of a federal whole with the ECJ and ECHR is a lot better than the unicameral centralised shit show that is Westminster. Being part of a bigger whole make sure us stronger and moderates our worst aspects. It’s a long way from perfect but far better than the alternative.