"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

xxxp I'm sure Nicky Clarke has some trenchant opinions on Churchill's hair but is he really the man to host a phone in debate about such a serious issue?

I was told from an early age by family that he was pure evil. And my irish great grandad came back from Gallipoli minus a big bit of one his legs because of his awesome military thinking - unencumbered by any concerns for the effects of mounted machine guns on soldiers.

I was thinking a live televised truth and reconc panel, hosted by nicky with chris leslie, ian austin and nicholas soames against big john, ross greer MSP and the kid who daubed the statue w paint

reconciliation*

timely input from Viz

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They keep mentioning Churchill won a Greatest Briton ever in a poll in 2002 - i.e 16 years ago. Didn't Alan Turing just win a similar poll in 2019? Stick yer Gary Oldmans up yer arse, Churchill is strictly for the Yanks these days.

can't believe there are still snowflakes whining about this inspirational hero who didn't believe Indians were full human beings

Remember that shit about Obama and the Churchill bust, even though his granddad was tortured by the British?

Among the detainees who suffered severe mistreatment was Hussein Onyango Obama, the grandfather of Barack Obama, the former President of the United States. According to his widow, British soldiers forced pins into his fingernails and buttocks and squeezed his testicles between metal rods and two others were castrated.

I think the major WW2 crimes attributed to Churchill on social media today (bombing/killing civilians, starving Bangladeshis) were so much the standard m.o. of the British Empire for centuries, they would happened without him anyway. Not that I'm making up excuses for the cunt. but just saying an Evil Empire is a collaboration with many different parts, and at that time it was the the most expert swelled government of British history that had taken this path, not just that cunt even though the propaganda version of history makes him the focal point. And its domestic population weren't exactly protesting in the streets about fire-bombing or the bangladeshi famine. we're all bad and should feel bad etc...

that sounds v right to me calz

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— DWP Press Office (@dwppressoffice) February 13, 2018

was he not considered to be a cunt at the time though?

The problem now is less him himself because the deeds are done and you can make the kind of argument cal makes, the problem is shite like this:

Boris Johnson: “The problem is not that we were once in charge [of Africa], but that we are not in charge any more...If left to their own devices, the natives would rely on nothing but the instant carbohydrate gratification of the plantain.” https://t.co/B8cG9mPeNg

— Liam Hogan (@Limerick1914) February 14, 2019

xxp
omg!

the electorate must have thought he was bit of a cunt, otherwise there would have been a tory landslide i suppose. the book I'm currently reading said Labour made a better argument of nationalism/patriotism than the tories did, unbelievable as it sounds now!

Now that quote needs to be taken in context - the context is that it ends "The best fate for Africa would be if the old colonial powers, or their citizens, scrambled once again in her direction; on the understanding that this time they will not be asked to feel guilty", and that we should shoot this cunt while he's still around.

It’s a thread with plenty more shite and context :)

Oops, vfp.

"It is not only the Mace and the despatch boxes that we have exported to the Ugandan parliament. With five seats reserved for the disabled, five for 'youth' and 54 for women, it is the most politically correct assembly in the world. I will never forget the expression on the faces of the tribal elders who came to meet us by some jacaranda tree. There they were, beaming with pride in some new Unicef-funded municipal shack, when a Norwegian Unicef girl stepped forward. She was wearing lipstick, earrings, court shoes, and she barked, in all seriousness, 'Where are the women?

'Why are there no women in this group?' she wanted to know, and the poor lads shuffled and scratched their Aids-blotched heads. Almost every dollar of Western aid seems tied to some programme of female emancipation — stamping out clitorectomy, polygamy, bride-price, or whatever. And while some readers may feel vaguely that the African male should not be stampeded into abandoning his ancient prerogatives, one cannot doubt the care — bordering on obsession — with which Western workers pursue their ends."

jesus fuck at that dwp tweet, almost comically evil

Don't forget 2008. The year Labour crashed the economy by not preventing benefits fraud and giving lollipops to the disabled.

all those gov tweets are old, if it's any consolation. not from this year. dunno if dwp etc have changed their innocent smoothie bullshit approach since then. think we went into it before - their mascot was called 'workie' etc.

at least i've yet to see one of the handful going around today that is from 2019.

was he not considered to be a cunt at the time though?

He was generally considered a warmongering strikebreaking gloryhunting hasbeen of a cunt before WWII and then a warmongering strikebreaking gloryhunting cunt thereafter.

... oops, forgot drunk and senile.

The real reason John McDonnell could never praise Winston Churchill is surely his role against the IRA with whom Mr McDonnell associated so closely https://t.co/I4pbPeS5bg

— John Woodcock (@JWoodcockMP) February 13, 2019

You forgot that he fought the Ra!

trenchant contribution from the member of parliament for BAE systems there

yes, surely that's the real reason, you've got mcdonnell 100% bang to rights there

xp

But like...does he mean the original IRA? Like in the war of independence? Cos that’s a whole other order of 😬

i think you're perhaps crediting john woodcock mp with more historical knowledge than he merits

he has plenty of "history" tho.

lol China's deputy pm has cancelled trade talks with Hammond over big Gav's hardman gunboat diplomacy talk. way to go Global Britain.

China had been expected to lift bans on British poultry and cosmetics which have not been tested on animals during the planned trade talks, opening up access to markets worth an estimated £10.2 billion (S$17.74 billion) over five years.

However, China only offered junior officials for the trade talks, ending hopes that two Memorandums of Understanding would be signed.

president xi, pls annex the united kingdom i'm begging u

I don't want to end up picking up dogshit up in the park all day, just to get some social credit points tho!

it's either picking dogshit up under president xi's stewardship or eating it under prime minister may's - pick yr poison

I had heard that Williamson got strips torn off him at cabinet, suggesting that he was seriously off piste - though of course the sources for that are all going to be people who have an interest in knifing him up good.

Which is everyone? They didn’t hold back when he was appointed to Defence.

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— Stef Blok (@ministerBlok) February 14, 2019

The Dutch minister of FA presenting the danger of brexit as.. Some sort of blue chewbacca? Mr. Blobby it is not.

while he was by no means unique I reckon churchill has a shot at cracking a 'top 5 british imperial cunts' list. churchill's handling of the famine managed to outrage leo amery, the secretary of state for india, who had campaigned against appeasement with churchill and was a big time tory militaristic imperialist, enough for him to be I think the first person to compare him to hitler. as with all these Big Men, being a product of empire doesn't mean he wasn't also defining it

I still cringe from the memory (from the Stalin & Roosevelt book a few years back) of that anecdote of a pissed up UK foreign office diplomat who was part of Churchill's entourage, who tried to say in the Kremlin in '43(?) that the Blitz had been much more murderous than what the Russians had suffered in this war so far. I think it must have been fucking Gavin Williamson's dad tbh.

like when someone on ilx compared the london riots to the siege of leningrad

I’m pretty sure Gavin Williamson’s dad is not a Tory, I’m sure I read some profile ages ago that alluded to it and his deeply strange Instagram has said much the same.

.. he got bit by a spider..

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lol .. reports of cannibalism in waitrose.

RIP govt motion

what does anything mean

going to be any disciplining of those labour MPs that defied the whip tonight on the SNP amendment ?

also MPs - if they eventually throw their lot in with may - have some serious explaining to do to businesses that have effected their no deal contingency plans

They never are, zebra, despite old man Corbyn’s notorious authoritarian ways. I notice the porcelain Churchill stan votes with the government again.