"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

I was getting him mixed up with the upskirt bill filibuster. Lol, he's one of the "moderates" then. oh dear.

Yes, he's a Nice Tory. Also a smug smarmy creep.

he is tall af too. slender man looking weirdo

The only tory moderate I have had any time for recently is Baroness Warsi for putting principles before career and publicly criticising her own party's Islamophobia and nasty UKIP direction. But if she was back in frontline politics, it wouldn't take long for me to think she's a complete arsehole probably.

I wonder how long it'll be before we end up with a new right-wing party.

Chuka's working on it

I could see Boles, etc, joining up with the centre-right Labour rebels more easily than a new party to the right of the Tories gaining much ground with their MPs.

how quickly we forget that nigel farage has pledged to stand for the brexit party if the uk doesn't leave the eu on march 29

The party’s founder Catherine Blaiklock told The Daily Telegraph that “a number of hundred” Conservative members had been in touch to say they wanted to defect to the new party.

“Never in peacetime has such a betrayal been attempted by this treacherous Conservative government. No country has ever signed a treaty like this except under war terms,” she said.

“This is a wakeup call. We are going to have thousands of people who will just leave the Conservatives and vote for us in the event of the European parliament election.”

inspiring stuff

I like Jeremy Gilbert a bunch and having read that essay linked above the arguments against Lexit, the instinct to say just NO on PV and on the need to counter the narrative of the right-wing press are all well and good (the latter is just necessary - if we this country isn't to go down in flames we need this more than anything). Its a powerful point to make on the membership - they were formidable in 2017 and that we shouldn't underestimate what they are capable of in the next election.

Less digestible is the notion of letting the membership when they choose to vote for a bunch of ppl (i.e. the Leadership) that is able to express its desires the most. These are mostly in sync, but not so much on the question of Bexit. What if instead of "reform and remain" the membership wanted to campaign on People's Vote, or to simply revoke Art 50 without a referendum? And is reforming Europe from within possible? Does reform matter anyway? After all transnational capital is the only game in town so maybe we should be subservient to it. When we all know that isn't quite the case as the EU have a bunch of problems of its own to contend with, ones bigger than Google or Amazon..

And is reforming Europe from within possible?

how quickly we forget that nigel farage has pledged to stand for the brexit party if the uk doesn't leave the eu on march 29

I understand he's already reconsidering that..

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/blaiklock-farage-brexit-islam

EU gotta kill more migrants. xp

lol that was a quick turnaround xp

Blaiklock complained that when she ordered a Thai takeaway meal in the US city it was delivered by a woman in a burka.

There is also some truth in the statement that Muslim men were impregnating white British girls to create Muslim babies”.

Just imagine if even a small proportion of these pubs get turned into Mosques. That is what seems to be happening in East Anglia.”

Blaiklock then described one of her daughters as having “Mongoloid” eyes. She wrote: “To complicate things further, one of my daughters looks Asian. She has ‘Mongoloid’ eyes and an epicanthic fold. My other daughter doesn’t — she has white skin and dark hair and eyes. She is often told she looks Spanish or Brazilian. If she were to apply, would she need to prove her ethnic mix?”

Approached by BuzzFeed News, Farage declined to comment on whether he will continue to support the Brexit party in light of its founder's views.

I feel really sad for Farage, a dude who just wants to belong to a Nationalist party that isn't full of racist nutjobs

Blaikblock re her kids is just brutal.

I think it's sweet that she has the language of racial essentialism down

chances of blaiklock having got the calipers out to measure the racial purity of her own kids seems certain to be approaching 100%

Blaiklock is the one who carried around a huge framed photo of her Jamaican husband to hustings to show she wasn’t racist iirc.

the Lolico "me not racist" card.

xyzzzz- do you think labour will commit to a second ref at some point ? the fact the membership want it so much must weigh on the leaderships mind

of course timing is key - they’ve been right to push back against the so called progressives who’d terminate labour w extreme prejudice simply to secure a referendum they’ve shown themselves all too capable of losing again

my wife carries a picture of me around everywhere so people can see my ethnic origin for themselves
jamaica?
no she started of her own accord

labour shd be very alive to big risk in next GE of potentially low turnout ie remainers choosing to stay home

not getting into labour hq with those trousers pal, sorry I don't make the rules pic.twitter.com/MNdsgJ5oTK

— joe (@cillanoir) February 11, 2019

do you think labour will commit to a second ref at some point ? the fact the membership want it so much must weigh on the leaderships mind

Unlikely although I'd rule nothing out. There are one or two things that need to happen before the Leadership make that call. Yes I know < 50 days to Brexit.

please to take to horribly formed joeks thread

my wife carries a picture of me around everywhere so people can see my ethnic origin for themselves
jamaica?
no she started of her own accord

― a surprise challenge that ended with a gunging (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, February 12, 2019 3:58 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark

i think u mean self-excelsior

well I laughed at that muck so idk what that tells us?

labour shd be very alive to big risk in next GE of potentially low turnout ie remainers choosing to stay home

the above joke is good

it's good because it's so bad

yorkshire's devo proposal shot down by brokenshire

So here's the thing I've been wondering: if the EU will not accept a hard border in Ireland, then by extension they won't accept No Deal. Even if May decides to put party over country and actually drive at the cliff. Does this actually give May significant leverage over the backstop? There will have to be further compromise over it if they don't want to end up with the one thing the backstop is designed to prevent?

I know everyone's pretending they won't negotiate, but there's a world of difference between what they're saying in public and what they'll end up doing.

The EU has zero problem with a border in the sea though

i keep wondering that too

sea border requires a backstop or other non-no-deal situation stet, right?

Except I don't think the EU can impose a border in the Irish Sea? And in any case if that happens then May loses the DUP and the government collapses.

are there any hypothetical brexits that don’t bring down the government ?

it is surely at that point a PV goes into a lab GE manifesto

There isn't enough time for that to happen - it's a referendum on whether to rejoin the EU. Which I imagine will be within a Labour manifesto before too long but not under Corbyn. The next leader will definitely be both left wing and pro-European though.

I think if May manages to get any kind of deal through Parliament then the government holds.

Is it not that the EU will reluctantly accept a hard border based on No Deal idiocy but not be culpable for negotiating one?

So here's the thing I've been wondering: if the EU will not accept a hard border in Ireland, then by extension they won't accept No Deal. Even if May decides to put party over country and actually drive at the cliff. Does this actually give May significant leverage over the backstop?

No deal = a hard border and both social and economic devastation to Ireland, however both will hit the UK far harder. The EU is betting, correctly, that a week of empty shop shelves will put paid to the neo-imperialist bluster.

I would also point out that Irish people are fully aware of both the risks and possible outcomes, but it’s not Leo or the EU who’ll be getting the blame, it’s the UK.

Maybe things would be different if the Conservatives weee capable of demonstrating the barest knowledge of or concern about Ireland; if they weren’t relying on a party who keep accusing Ireland of trying to “annex” Nortjetn Ireland; or if you could go a week without a diplomatic fuckup with someone saying we’re not food secure (lol) or that we should be threatened into submission (lol and also go fuck yourself).

The UK didn’t give two fucks about Ireland then or now. If they had been able to paint the EU as the ones to blame, then that’s one thing, but...gestures to entirety of post above

Is it not that the EU will reluctantly accept a hard border based on No Deal idiocy but not be culpable for negotiating one?

How would Ireland be f’d by brexit if they’re in the EU still? Loss of access to UK ports being able to handle import load?

Cross border agribusiness, food exports, horses...

Just saw Jeremy Corbyn arrive at the Harry Leslie Smith memorial over the road, on my way back from Waitrose with my shopping. NBD, did not stop to harangue him about Brexit.

Traitor!

Gyac otm but while EU can’t implement border in Irish Sea, it can use the offer of one to defang any perceived May leverage.

It’s infuriating the way the rockets present what is a big benefit to the UK (a UK-wide backstop) as a negative to be avoided. When the EU withdraws that offer post no-Deal they’ll probably start insisting it must be UK-wide again

could have reported this em

Before Xmas I was told by one senior cabinet minister that Mays plan was to keep delaying vote until there was no option left but her deal. Nothing I’ve seen since has made me think she’s come even an inch off course.The trips to Brussels /chats with labour are window dressing 1/

— emily m (@maitlis) February 12, 2019

May's Turnip Surprise

It’s infuriating the way the rockets present what is a big benefit to the UK (a UK-wide backstop) as a negative to be avoided. When the EU withdraws that offer post no-Deal they’ll probably start insisting it must be UK-wide again

totally - the backstop is in many ways what the EU always insisted was impossible

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/12/theresa-mays-brexit-tactic-my-way-or-a-long-delay

But Robbins, the most senior civil servant involved in the Brexit process, was overheard by a reporter from ITV, holding a late-night conversation in which he appeared to suggest she would wait until March – and then give MPs the choice between backing her, or accepting a long extension to article 50.

According to the broadcaster, Robbins said the government had “got to make them believe that the week beginning end of March ... extension is possible, but if they don’t vote for the deal then the extension is a long one.”