US Politics February 2019: This is one of the great losers of all time.

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(if those seem contradictory, I'll boil it down to: she could and should definitely have chosen her words more carefully but also she can't win with many of these ppl)

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:28 (seven years ago)

Careful who you call “these people” boyo

Norm’s Superego (silby), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:36 (seven years ago)

STFU

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:37 (seven years ago)

sincerely, one of "these people"

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:38 (seven years ago)

obv the aipac lobby is powerful, but it's also disingenuous to say that there aren't plenty of ideological and political reasons for moderate dems and republicans to support israel.

sun-kil moonsician (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:39 (seven years ago)

That's a more fair point imo.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:39 (seven years ago)

xp

I don't think she could have criticized AIPAC in a way that opportunistic GOP hacks couldn't spin as anti-Semitic, I'm just saying she could have criticized AIPAC in a way *I* wouldn't perceive as anti-Semitic.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:40 (seven years ago)

Sorry, I said that badly. I don't even perceive what she said as anti-Semitic, it's more that I perceive it drawing power from ambient anti-Semitism.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:42 (seven years ago)

Worst afx record

DJI, Monday, 11 February 2019 16:45 (seven years ago)

Careful who you call “these people” boyo

I felt like I was pretty clearly referring to Israel's vocal public supporters, many of whom are not Jewish, but go off

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:45 (seven years ago)

It's hard for me to imagine a way a leftist woman of color in a hijab could criticize anything Israel-related that wouldn't get this treatment. But sure, dance more gracefully across the minefield.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:47 (seven years ago)

I mean, I think outside of AIPAC and congressional PR offices, some of the negative reaction is sincere, but at some point well-meaning people are contributing to an atmosphere in which debate is impossible

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:48 (seven years ago)

The AIPAC remark was completely accurate, people are objecting to her particular framing and language which I think is fair. What's not fair is the assumption of bad faith and the lumping in of anti-Zionism / BDS / political criticism of Israel more generally with anti-Semitism, which tbh is what I see the majority of commentators doing

― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, February 11, 2019 3:56 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kevin mccarthy was also flagging this is a potential attack a week ago so this isn't a surprise. also taking a page from the UK playbook on taking down leftists.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:49 (seven years ago)

Most pro-Likudnik political contributions don't pass through AIPAC.

Sheldon Adelson spent $25 million on Trump's campaign alone, more than anyone else, buying enough influence to place John Bolton and Mike Pompeo in a position to push the proxy war against Iran all three have wanted for years, decades.

no expense was incurred (Sanpaku), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:54 (seven years ago)

The only proper response to McCarthy was "your party runs literal Nazis for office, go fuck yourself."

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:55 (seven years ago)

Also this, of course.

Shot. Chaser. pic.twitter.com/3HP4reajht

— Judah Ariel (@judahariel) February 11, 2019

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:56 (seven years ago)

mccarthy thinks stripping a literal nazi in his caucus of committee assignments gives him credibility to attack muslim congresswomen for antisemitism. cool country.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:59 (seven years ago)

Yep. Anyone who has a problem with what Omar said but thinks McCarthy's tweet is somehow OK is not worth listening to on this subject.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 February 2019 17:02 (seven years ago)

Just after the infamous Access Hollywood tape surfaced — where President Trump is heard bragging about sexually assaulting women — the President was concerned it would sink his campaign, according to former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

“He said, ‘Is it over?’” Christie told Fox News over the weekend. “I said, ‘No, because you are running against the single worst presidential candidate in my lifetime. So we’ve got time to recover. But we’ve got to do it the right way.’”

actually, i was in the room and i believe christie's verbatim response was "no, it's not even close to over, because this nightmare never ends. aaaahahahahahahahaha" before his blood poured out of his eyes and all of the nearby lights exploded

Karl Malone, Monday, 11 February 2019 17:54 (seven years ago)

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l41m1NGC7fK7tduco/giphy.gif

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 February 2019 17:58 (seven years ago)

The way to criticise AIPAC is to point out that they now accept neocons and evangelical Rapture wingnuts as supporters.

suzy, Monday, 11 February 2019 17:58 (seven years ago)

now they do?

Karl Malone, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:05 (seven years ago)

Careful who you call “these people” boyo
I felt like I was pretty clearly referring to Israel's vocal public supporters, many of whom are not Jewish, but go off

― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, February 11, 2019 10:45 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you forgot "go off KING" to be fully left twitter cool guy

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 February 2019 18:12 (seven years ago)

didn't want to make gender assumption

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 18:14 (seven years ago)

Steve Scalise has joined the good faith anti semitism discourse and demanding Omar be removed from her foreign relations committee assignment. All according to the plan..

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 11 February 2019 18:18 (seven years ago)

sorry for caps but

DEM LEADERSHIP WEIGHS IN ON OMAR pic.twitter.com/ravQQCQKea

— Sam Stein (@samstein) February 11, 2019

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 18:45 (seven years ago)

Good that some Dems have condemned the disgraceful anti-Semitic remarks of Rep. Omar—but their words are empty unless Dem leaders remove her from the Foreign Affairs Committee. No one with her anti-Semitic views should be allowed to represent US foreign policy on that committee.

— Steve Scalise (@SteveScalise) February 11, 2019

the Steve King-supporting Republicans calling this shit out just make me wanna vomit

frogbs, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:47 (seven years ago)

almost forgot, yeah, it's that Steve Scalise

https://theweek.com/speedreads/440133/steve-scalise-reportedly-said-like-david-duke-without-baggage

frogbs, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:50 (seven years ago)

maybe by "baggage" he means his dick and balls

frogbs, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:50 (seven years ago)

yup

the republicans, who spent the campaign season going ham on "soros" and spreading all kinds of (not-so-)crypto-anti-semitic messaging (including my own congressman), don't have a leg to stand on. they can eat shit and *** tbh.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 11 February 2019 18:52 (seven years ago)

least of all steve "proud to be a racist" scalise

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 11 February 2019 18:53 (seven years ago)

I wasn’t coordinated with anyone and I appreciate your feedback. I remain troubled by Congresswoman Omar’s referencing “Benjamins” from a song that also includes “You Should Do What We Do, Stack Chips Like Hebrews” and linking that reference to a Jewish organization.

— Chelsea Clinton (@ChelseaClinton) February 11, 2019

she definitely got her political instincts from her Mom

frogbs, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:55 (seven years ago)

The incongruity of media treatment of Democrats and Republicans is that the sitting President made a Native American genocide joke on Twitter just one day prior and the response was "wow, nothing surprises us anymore" and for conservative media figures to gaslight us because the President is too stupid to know the history of his favorite President Andrew Jackson.

comesayhey, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:58 (seven years ago)

there's also a hierarchy of how serious an insult to different groups is perceived.

republicans and right-wing democrats have weaponized the accusation of anti-semitism in a way that nobody has done for prejudice against american indians.

(i'm a jew btw)

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 11 February 2019 19:00 (seven years ago)

my grammar was kind of messed up there but i hope my point is clear

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 11 February 2019 19:00 (seven years ago)

lol at chelsea googling the lyrics for all about the benjamins

sun-kil moonsician (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 February 2019 19:05 (seven years ago)

apparently congresswoman omar wants to be a baller? a shot-caller? a brawler?

sun-kil moonsician (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 February 2019 19:05 (seven years ago)

Representative Omar's clearly betraying her leftist roots and siding with the 1% when she claims she's "strictly trying to cop those, colossal sized Picassos"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 February 2019 19:07 (seven years ago)

i think the reaction is overblown as it always is whenever a politician says anything a bit out of bounds, but it *was* kind of a dumb thing to say.

omar little, Monday, 11 February 2019 19:12 (seven years ago)

it *was* kind of a dumb thing to say.

Congress is filled with mental giants, so it is always rather shocking when one says something that can be described as 'kind of dumb'.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 11 February 2019 19:21 (seven years ago)

Dems throwing her under the bus is absolutely idiotic though

frogbs, Monday, 11 February 2019 19:32 (seven years ago)

there are a lot of dems who were chomping at the bit to throw her under the bus

(sorry, mixed metaphor)

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 11 February 2019 19:53 (seven years ago)

Listening and learning, but standing strong 💪🏽 pic.twitter.com/7TSroSf8h1

— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) February 11, 2019

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 19:54 (seven years ago)

that's a good statement, and so is this:

STATEMENT: Weaponization and Oversimplification of Israel Debate Must End https://t.co/Vrz5OaBe5O pic.twitter.com/oTTY0tHWci

— J Street (@jstreetdotorg) February 11, 2019

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 11 February 2019 19:55 (seven years ago)

jfc Dems suck

Rep. Omar’s use of an anti-Semitic stereotype was offensive and irresponsible.

This kind of intolerance has no place in Congress—or anywhere in American society.

No one should invoke anti-Semitic tropes during policy disagreements.

— Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) February 11, 2019

frogbs, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:07 (seven years ago)

yes to be clear the Dem response is also extremely dumb

omar little, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:09 (seven years ago)

I dont think the mainstream dems want much to do with ilham omar. They have to seem to tolerate eg bernie and aoc because of their popularity

Trϵϵship, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:27 (seven years ago)

fwiw I thought "all about the Benjamins" was a reference to Netinyahu

not that I expect much from establishment Dems but immediately siding with bad faith GOP actors in the age of Trump is still infuriating

frogbs, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:38 (seven years ago)

schumer is definitely siding with his donors who called to complain rather than the GOP, but it's still annoying.

that j street statement is well put

sun-kil moonsician (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 February 2019 20:45 (seven years ago)

donors, you say?

k3vin k., Monday, 11 February 2019 21:11 (seven years ago)


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