US Politics February 2019: This is one of the great losers of all time.

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Shame that is presumably something trump won't pick up on from Fox, might just be rid of him that much faster. I assume that being a germophobe is as much of a heartfelt belief as he has about anything. Or is this going to morph into a tweeted comment later on.

Stevolende, Monday, 11 February 2019 07:39 (seven years ago)

sometimes I forget that the President is a literal rapist

The Democrats are so self righteous and ANGRY! Loosen up and have some fun. The Country is doing well!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 11, 2019

frogbs, Monday, 11 February 2019 14:38 (seven years ago)

good morning!!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:40 (seven years ago)

Trump 2020: Loosen Up!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 February 2019 14:47 (seven years ago)

I'm never sure how to respond when a backed-up font of seething rage insists that I loosen up and enjoy myself.

Shaved Cyborg (Old Lunch), Monday, 11 February 2019 15:00 (seven years ago)

love trumps hate

#resist

j., Monday, 11 February 2019 15:09 (seven years ago)

(35% of americans) love trump's hate
#medialiteracycrisis

Karl Malone, Monday, 11 February 2019 15:17 (seven years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/11/its-all-about-benjamins-baby-ilhan-omar-again-accused-anti-semitism-over-tweets/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d176c92c934f

This is really dumb.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 15:25 (seven years ago)

It's dumb to treat it as in any way comparable to Steve King or other movement racists in positions of power, but yes, it's true, Omar is using language whose force is derived from an old robust anti-Semitic tradition, and it's good for her to know that. She can (and should) go after Netanyahu and his fans in Congress without shading into the "follow the money" stuff. I think Hemd Amry has this right

No, criticism of Israel isn’t anti-semitism, just like criticism of a Muslim majority state isn’t islamophobia, by default. However racist or bigoted tropes can be intentionally or unintentionally triggered in making those critiques and yes that matters-it always matters.

— hend amry (@LibyaLiberty) February 11, 2019

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 February 2019 15:45 (seven years ago)

seems fair

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 15:49 (seven years ago)

AIPAC spent $3.5 million dollars in 2018 alone on lobbying costs--and 3.2 in 2017 and so on (see here: https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000046963&year=2017). Commenting on this doesn't seem out of place?

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 11 February 2019 15:51 (seven years ago)

The AIPAC remark was completely accurate, people are objecting to her particular framing and language which I think is fair. What's not fair is the assumption of bad faith and the lumping in of anti-Zionism / BDS / political criticism of Israel more generally with anti-Semitism, which tbh is what I see the majority of commentators doing

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 15:56 (seven years ago)

xp

Michael Bloomberg spent twenty times that much on Democrats in the 2018 election cycle (and George Soros another $13m) and yes there is something creepy when Kevin McCarthy talks about them trying to "buy the election."

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 February 2019 15:58 (seven years ago)

I guess I'm just not seeing it in those two tweets that are quoted. "Follow the money" has like 1000 stronger associations than anti-semitism unless you're trying to discredit anyone who doesn't support Israel's settler colonialism?

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:00 (seven years ago)

In other news: Erick Erickson is on board!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:01 (seven years ago)

no platfrorm for lester freamon

j., Monday, 11 February 2019 16:03 (seven years ago)

lobbying =/= election cycle money. Apples and oranges.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:05 (seven years ago)

I guess I'm just not seeing it in those two tweets that are quoted.

That's cool, I don't think Omar saw it either, I truly don't think it's her intent to use this stuff, but trust me, it's there.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:06 (seven years ago)

whoa who could've thought Erick Erickson had no principles

frogbs, Monday, 11 February 2019 16:07 (seven years ago)

trust me, it's there.

I really don't think it is

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:08 (seven years ago)

I mean otherwise I don't get what the non-anti-semitic way would be to insinuate that campaign donations and lobbying money are part of the reason for widespread support for Israel among politicians, which they obviously are. She didn't tweet a picture of a fanged octopus with "AIPAC" on it, she just said "It's all about the benjamins."

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:12 (seven years ago)

The good way would be to use the word "part" where you used it, the bad way is to use the word "all" where she used it. This is not a minor distinction.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:22 (seven years ago)

pretty simple: even when it's true you just uh have to be deliberate and careful and not glib when you're arguing that Jewish groups are using money to manipulate politicians?

sean gramophone, Monday, 11 February 2019 16:23 (seven years ago)

yep. it sucks that ppl who are already out on a pretty lonely limb with this sentiment also have to be exceptionally careful about it but them's the breaks

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:25 (seven years ago)

unfortunately I think this is also correct

Open challenge for any of the "Omar should have criticized AIPAC in a way that cannot be spun as anti-Semitic" people to do it.

If this site should have taught us anything by now, it's that cynics and reactionaries can always twist your words to mean any damn thing they want.

— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) February 11, 2019

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:26 (seven years ago)

(if those seem contradictory, I'll boil it down to: she could and should definitely have chosen her words more carefully but also she can't win with many of these ppl)

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:28 (seven years ago)

Careful who you call “these people” boyo

Norm’s Superego (silby), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:36 (seven years ago)

STFU

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:37 (seven years ago)

sincerely, one of "these people"

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:38 (seven years ago)

obv the aipac lobby is powerful, but it's also disingenuous to say that there aren't plenty of ideological and political reasons for moderate dems and republicans to support israel.

sun-kil moonsician (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:39 (seven years ago)

That's a more fair point imo.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:39 (seven years ago)

xp

I don't think she could have criticized AIPAC in a way that opportunistic GOP hacks couldn't spin as anti-Semitic, I'm just saying she could have criticized AIPAC in a way *I* wouldn't perceive as anti-Semitic.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:40 (seven years ago)

Sorry, I said that badly. I don't even perceive what she said as anti-Semitic, it's more that I perceive it drawing power from ambient anti-Semitism.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:42 (seven years ago)

Worst afx record

DJI, Monday, 11 February 2019 16:45 (seven years ago)

Careful who you call “these people” boyo

I felt like I was pretty clearly referring to Israel's vocal public supporters, many of whom are not Jewish, but go off

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:45 (seven years ago)

It's hard for me to imagine a way a leftist woman of color in a hijab could criticize anything Israel-related that wouldn't get this treatment. But sure, dance more gracefully across the minefield.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:47 (seven years ago)

I mean, I think outside of AIPAC and congressional PR offices, some of the negative reaction is sincere, but at some point well-meaning people are contributing to an atmosphere in which debate is impossible

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:48 (seven years ago)

The AIPAC remark was completely accurate, people are objecting to her particular framing and language which I think is fair. What's not fair is the assumption of bad faith and the lumping in of anti-Zionism / BDS / political criticism of Israel more generally with anti-Semitism, which tbh is what I see the majority of commentators doing

― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, February 11, 2019 3:56 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kevin mccarthy was also flagging this is a potential attack a week ago so this isn't a surprise. also taking a page from the UK playbook on taking down leftists.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:49 (seven years ago)

Most pro-Likudnik political contributions don't pass through AIPAC.

Sheldon Adelson spent $25 million on Trump's campaign alone, more than anyone else, buying enough influence to place John Bolton and Mike Pompeo in a position to push the proxy war against Iran all three have wanted for years, decades.

no expense was incurred (Sanpaku), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:54 (seven years ago)

The only proper response to McCarthy was "your party runs literal Nazis for office, go fuck yourself."

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:55 (seven years ago)

Also this, of course.

Shot. Chaser. pic.twitter.com/3HP4reajht

— Judah Ariel (@judahariel) February 11, 2019

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:56 (seven years ago)

mccarthy thinks stripping a literal nazi in his caucus of committee assignments gives him credibility to attack muslim congresswomen for antisemitism. cool country.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:59 (seven years ago)

Yep. Anyone who has a problem with what Omar said but thinks McCarthy's tweet is somehow OK is not worth listening to on this subject.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 February 2019 17:02 (seven years ago)

Just after the infamous Access Hollywood tape surfaced — where President Trump is heard bragging about sexually assaulting women — the President was concerned it would sink his campaign, according to former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

“He said, ‘Is it over?’” Christie told Fox News over the weekend. “I said, ‘No, because you are running against the single worst presidential candidate in my lifetime. So we’ve got time to recover. But we’ve got to do it the right way.’”

actually, i was in the room and i believe christie's verbatim response was "no, it's not even close to over, because this nightmare never ends. aaaahahahahahahahaha" before his blood poured out of his eyes and all of the nearby lights exploded

Karl Malone, Monday, 11 February 2019 17:54 (seven years ago)

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Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 February 2019 17:58 (seven years ago)

The way to criticise AIPAC is to point out that they now accept neocons and evangelical Rapture wingnuts as supporters.

suzy, Monday, 11 February 2019 17:58 (seven years ago)

now they do?

Karl Malone, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:05 (seven years ago)

Careful who you call “these people” boyo
I felt like I was pretty clearly referring to Israel's vocal public supporters, many of whom are not Jewish, but go off

― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, February 11, 2019 10:45 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you forgot "go off KING" to be fully left twitter cool guy

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 February 2019 18:12 (seven years ago)

didn't want to make gender assumption

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 18:14 (seven years ago)

Steve Scalise has joined the good faith anti semitism discourse and demanding Omar be removed from her foreign relations committee assignment. All according to the plan..

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 11 February 2019 18:18 (seven years ago)


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